Windows 7 or 8

gareth170 · 23 Jul 2013 at 11:21

Burnsy2023 said:
I think it comes down to the fact that if I want to open a new application, I'd also like to keep reading what I'm doing currently.

lol I've heard this before. but I really don't get it

surely if you want to open a new application your eyes would be focusing on the mouse point and start button / menu. so you would need to stop reading for afew seconds anyway..

It's like when I type using a on screen keyboard my eyes are focused on the mouse point and the on screen keyboard keys, theres no way that I can focused on the mouse point and the on screen keyboard keys plus read where i'm typing at the same time.

gublok · 23 Jul 2013 at 11:22

i would what the pc market would be like now if thay had not gone broke

KIA · 23 Jul 2013 at 13:28

gareth170 said:
I've heard this before. but I really don't get it

He probably opens applications using the Windows key + type first few characters of app name and press enter method.

theheyes · 23 Jul 2013 at 14:25

Having the metro UI flash up in those circumstances is a bit annoying. Fixed in 8.1 however.

mmj_uk · 23 Jul 2013 at 16:24

Burnsy2023 said:
The tablet format isn't going anywhere, I don't think this will be a rerun of netbooks and I understand what MS is trying to do. However, I think that MS are trying to move the whole PC market to this new format which doesn't work. If MS want to innovate in the touch market, I think that needs to be a new SKU rather than trying to unify both platforms.

Yes well said.

Instead of trying to grow their presence in the portable market from scratch they have attempted to take a shortcut by forcing a tablet interface down their desktop customers throats, presumably hoping that it will improve migration over to their portable devices due to familiarity. However, doing this has left a very bitter taste in the mouths of many of their desktop customers to the point where even if they were to move over to portable devices they are likely to avoid Microsoft devices altogether.

If they want desktop users to migrate over to their portable devices treating them like second class citizens and telling them to like it or lump it is not the way to go about it.

theheyes · 23 Jul 2013 at 16:59

mmj_uk said:
Instead of trying to grow their presence in the portable market from scratch they have attempted to take a shortcut.

Completely disagree. Making a separate product would have been the real shortcut; the easy option. Attacking the market with a wet noodle and half an ass.

The closest thing to what you're describing is actually Windows RT, and look how that's done. The OS is fine, but why would you buy one over an iPad or Android device at similar prices? Microsoft don't even have the "cool factor", so it's not as if that would even work in their favour. No market share means no developer interest, and no developer interest means your platform is pretty much DOA.

Look a Windows Phone - another comparable attempt to grow an ecosystem from scratch, and it's moving at an absolute snails pace. It is no coincidence that they moved to the NT kernel and Windows Phone is now lumped in with Windows client under Operating System Group. They figured it out.

"Windows for tablets" would have absolutely bombed.

gareth170 · 24 Jul 2013 at 00:22

KIA said:
He probably opens applications using the Windows key + type first few characters of app name and press enter method.

but even that way u still need to focus on the start menu to make sure the right application is selected.

Burnsy2023 · 24 Jul 2013 at 06:17

theheyes said:
Completely disagree. Making a separate product would have been the real shortcut; the easy option. Attacking the market with a wet noodle and half an ass.

The closest thing to what you're describing is actually Windows RT, and look how that's done. The OS is fine, but why would you buy one over an iPad or Android device at similar prices? Microsoft don't even have the "cool factor", so it's not as if that would even work in their favour. No market share means no developer interest, and no developer interest means your platform is pretty much DOA.

Look a Windows Phone - another comparable attempt to grow an ecosystem from scratch, and it's moving at an absolute snails pace. It is no coincidence that they moved to the NT kernel and Windows Phone is now lumped in with Windows client under Operating System Group. They figured it out.

"Windows for tablets" would have absolutely bombed.

If you measured how many people are using Windows 8 on a touch device and you may get a similar comparison though.

ChrisD. · 24 Jul 2013 at 09:20

gareth170 said:
but even that way u still need to focus on the start menu to make sure the right application is selected.

It's a millisecond glance at something small in the bottom left corner, rather than some big ugly thing taking over the whole screen. If anyone is like me, they know where the apps pop up after typing so that glance soon becomes nothing.

KIA · 24 Jul 2013 at 09:29

gareth170 said:
but even that way u still need to focus on the start menu to make sure the right application is selected.

No. It becomes natural to launch apps without looking after a while. The location of the app on the menu rarely changes.

ChrisD. · 24 Jul 2013 at 09:38

KIA said:
No. It becomes natural to launch apps without looking after a while. The location of the app on the menu rarely changes.

Indeed, like launching an app on a smartphone, once you're used to it, it's second nature.

djkav · 24 Jul 2013 at 10:49

I like Windows 8.

I've used OS UIs since the days of the BBC/Electron, Spectrums/C64s, Amigas/STs and PCs.

They all evolve and change. I liked XP and Windows 7.

I rarely use Metro, I don't notice it, nor let it disrupt me. I use my PC for gaming and development, running DBMS servers, IIS, VS 2012 and Photoshop.

Windows 8 has never caused me a problem with productivity. It might have slightly improved it, in all honesty. No difference in gaming either. I also don't use any 3rd party addons for Windows 8 UI either. No point, it works and does its job.

All this Windows 8 bashing is just completely irrelevant. Just use your PC for whatever you do on it.

The only reason people could have for moaning about Windows 8 is legacy apps that won't work. The simple answer is use whatever OS works with your apps. I just ignore all the other moaners. Your arguments all have no basis (except the shutting windows down. That's a little hidden).

I still find that AmigaDOS and Workbench was one of the best OS's ever made. Probably the 1st true multitasking home computer OS. Developed by a British company too

gareth170 · 24 Jul 2013 at 12:48

MilanoChris said:
It's a millisecond glance at something small in the bottom left corner, rather than some big ugly thing taking over the whole screen. If anyone is like me, they know where the apps pop up after typing so that glance soon becomes nothing.

KIA said:
No. It becomes natural to launch apps without looking after a while. The location of the app on the menu rarely changes.

if you prefer that method then that's fine.

but you need understand not everybody in the world does it that way.

I know my friends / family launch apps using the mouse / pointer..

we can't talk for everybody in the world, if you get what I mean.

btw you can add apps, etc. to the context menu so you don't need to open metro ui. if you don't like something there's 99% of things that's has a simple workaround. but some people choose to moan or simply don't want to use a simple workaround. if I was like that I wouldn't be using computers/gaming, for over 24 years.

kh85 · 25 Jul 2013 at 00:18

MilanoChris said:
Had Win 8 on my PC.

Finally got fed up and put Win 7 back on this weekend just gone.

I am much happier with W7. Main use is games and photo work.

exactly the same for me. windows 8 is kinda cool at first and still easy to use. but i feel like i have more control on 7, and i get things done easier.
windows 8 was nice, but i do prefer 7.

oh and the new start menu is a weird update... people wanted the start menu back lol. strange.

cheers

theheyes · 25 Jul 2013 at 09:47

To those rolling back to Windows 7, are you just not comfortable with running a third party start menu or are there other factors?

ChrisD. · 25 Jul 2013 at 09:51

theheyes said:
To those rolling back to Windows 7, are you just not comfortable with running a third party start menu or are there other factors?

Running a 3rd part app didn't bother me in the slightest, it was all the touch based features I didn't like among other things I listed previous in this thread.

gareth170 · 25 Jul 2013 at 10:17

MilanoChris said:
Running a 3rd part app didn't bother me in the slightest, it was all the touch based features I didn't like among other things I listed previous in this thread.

the only things that are touch based features and say tap here are in metro / metro apps which you don't have to use really. in the desktop I haven't seen everything say tap here.

things like control panel, windows update, etc. just use the desktop version

ChrisD. · 25 Jul 2013 at 11:04

When I plug a new device in, plenty of other times. Having to use certain metro apps when I much prefer the old control panel way.

I prefer Windows 7, end of.

kh85 · 25 Jul 2013 at 11:49

theheyes said:
To those rolling back to Windows 7, are you just not comfortable with running a third party start menu or are there other factors?

i didn't roll back because of the metro or no start menu. i barely used the metro anyway, and it isn't as bad as it was first made out to be. i had a problem with a couple of programs i wanted to use not yet supported on windows 8.

so i went back to 7 and glad i did. windows 8 is good, in my personal opinion 7 feels easier to navigate. i had full control of windows 8 but i do prefer 7. (but we all know people will say they are just the same ;p)

gareth170 · 25 Jul 2013 at 13:10

MilanoChris said:
When I plug a new device in, plenty of other times. Having to use certain metro apps when I much prefer the old control panel way.

When I plug a new flash drive in yes a red box pops up saying tap or click here but I just ignore it. I just double click on computer or open the program I want to use...

even if you do click on the popup it gives the same information as the old panel in win7.

MilanoChris said:
I prefer Windows 7, end of.

if that's what you prefer. good for you. nobody is saying you must like every Windows release.

I didn't like previous windows OS's much. windows 8 is the first OS I don't have to use 3rd party programs to change the size of the start menu because windows 8 start menu or screen is in a title format so it's much easier for me to open programs without clicking the wrong one by mistake.