But there's nothing to suggest either scenario. That's why I think this route carries a significant risk when it just didn't need to.
I fail to understand how you can't see that giving users the choice is a good thing.
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But there's nothing to suggest either scenario. That's why I think this route carries a significant risk when it just didn't need to.
I fail to understand how you can't see that giving users the choice is a good thing.
Start menu is not a unified UI and never could have been and so died. It ain't coming back and it simply isn't needed. Give it a few years and people won't remeber why we even had a gazillion discussions about it. Just like people forget how hated XP was, or pretty much any change Ms has ever done has always been hated and slated to be a disaster.
Short term it's not an issue, longterm it very much is an issue, if people were given the choice we would still be running XP with no changes. People have to be dragged forward for the most part.
Keeping the start menu is not in Ms bet interest, nore is making two separate Os like many suggest. Year that would be good for MS long term financial future.
Short term it's not an issue, longterm it very much is an issue, if people were given the choice we would still be running XP with no changes. People have to be dragged forward for the most part.
Keeping the start menu is not in Ms bet interest, nore is making two separate Os like many suggest. Year that would be good for MS long term financial future.
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Steady on, I never criticised XP. I never even criticised Windows 95 because at the time, things like DirectX and the GUI were huge leaps forward.
And the Start Menu doesn't need to be unified - what you do is offer the choice. That way you don't get a billion threads because people have the choice to use what they want.
That way, even if some like Metro with a M&K they are free to do what they choose.
And the Start Menu doesn't need to be unified - what you do is offer the choice. That way you don't get a billion threads because people have the choice to use what they want.
That way, even if some like Metro with a M&K they are free to do what they choose.
Short sightedness and that leads to no one trying a HD thus not embracing new ways, developers don't progress and MS continues to lose marketshare to android.
That's the problem far to many do not notice how much the market has shifted and how far behind MS is. This change had to happen and they are now ahead of the technical term, now they just need to do more to increase there marketshare back to the dominate player.
That's the problem far to many do not notice how much the market has shifted and how far behind MS is. This change had to happen and they are now ahead of the technical term, now they just need to do more to increase there marketshare back to the dominate player.
They will be dead in about 5 years time in my opinion. The next big this will be Display Technologies Corning.
http://www.corning.com/displaytechnologies/en/index.aspx
Not true at all as I said before its not by chance that Windows and many other OSes evolved towards the Start Menu style design and stayed with that design for the longest period of time so far of any style.
A few people in this thread and others on the same topic need to get their heads around the fact that
(A) Not everyone has the same approach to how they use the OS
(B) Its not just a case of adapting and infact adapting to the Windows 8 out the box style for many desktop users is infact a step backwards just as true as that for many people it is also a step forward.
A) use a third party, stick to win7 etc
Or get used to it and adapt as it isn't coming back.
Burnsy asked why do I need a full screen start menu, question back is why do you need a start menu, you have lost zero functionality, it's just a different way which adds so much.
And it's part of a unification process.
Or get used to it and adapt as it isn't coming back.
Burnsy asked why do I need a full screen start menu, question back is why do you need a start menu, you have lost zero functionality, it's just a different way which adds so much.
And it's part of a unification process.
Problem is you can't see the perspective of someone whose approach to their desktop OS is different to your own and seem to be under the impression the way you use the OS is the only way to use the OS - so most of this discussion is fairly pointless.
The comment "which adds so much" is telling, while for many people thats useful extra functionality for an equally just as many people thats just extra clutter they will never use, will never have a use for and is just extra stuff to filter out while trying to get to what they actually want.
What rubbish, I can see there perspective, I jsut don't agree taht it's a big an issue as they make out, that's the difference, some people make out its the end of the world. That's far from the case, 99% of stuff is exactly the same, other stuff is only marginally different like search, but is exactly the same process.
So what as people think its extra clutter, somehow at excludes the extra features?
For most people half the Os is clutter until something goes wrong and you have to go digging.
Never have a use or need for, I don't belive that for a second. That's another quote we can revistit in 5 years time
You really don't get it - sorry its a bit of a terse response but it would take a lot of effort to show you the perspective I'm coming from and its far from an uncommon way to use the OS - atleast as common as that of people who do use the extra widgets, etc.
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Lol, you don't get people will get used to the idea and before they know it, will be using said features, when they cried to high heaven they never would, you wait and see.
Based on over 20 years of OS experience and adapting/progress I can tell you now for an absolute fact I won't ever use many of those extra features - they simple aren't part of the way I use the OS and I'm far from alone in that - probably just as many people have a similiar approach as mine to the OS as have an approach similiar to your own.
EDIT: I mean literally as I said earlier things like using the start menu search feature just aren't part of the way I interact with the OS and never will be - I'll never use a news widget or anything like that and so on.
EDIT: I mean literally as I said earlier things like using the start menu search feature just aren't part of the way I interact with the OS and never will be - I'll never use a news widget or anything like that and so on.
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Yep like apple and Siri, i dont know anyone that actually uses siri, unless they are severely bored.
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I think it comes down to the fact that if I want to open a new application, I'd also like to keep reading what I'm doing currently.
I think a lot of my frustrations are demonstrated here:
The tablet format isn't going anywhere, I don't think this will be a rerun of netbooks and I understand what MS is trying to do. However, I think that MS are trying to move the whole PC market to this new format which doesn't work. If MS want to innovate in the touch market, I think that needs to be a new SKU rather than trying to unify both platforms.
I keep trying to force myself to use Windows 8 as it seems to be me with the problem as i'm not "giving it a chance and getting used to it".
Well first time it lasted a week, second time three days and the third time just a day.
I think I could get used to it, but I can't see or feel any discernible advantage to doing so. The thing that worries/worried me is the update schedule, but apparently W7 is covered for a while yet and DirectX is never a good enough reason to upgrade these days.
For me there were a few issues:
- I have a 1440p 27" screen. Full screen apps looked ridiculous
- I never used metro, I always used something to get the old start menu back, as for me, it works better
- I hated the fact that everything was orientated around touch - 'tap here to choose what to do with this device'
- as soon as I plugged in anything, it'd minimise to desktop. Not cool while mid game
- crash recovery was a pain, stop trying to fix it, just boot!
Many I appreciate are personal, but I just didn't get along with it and I tried hard. I am more than happy being back with Windows 7.
- I have a 1440p 27" screen. Full screen apps looked ridiculous
- I never used metro, I always used something to get the old start menu back, as for me, it works better
- I hated the fact that everything was orientated around touch - 'tap here to choose what to do with this device'
- as soon as I plugged in anything, it'd minimise to desktop. Not cool while mid game
- crash recovery was a pain, stop trying to fix it, just boot!
Many I appreciate are personal, but I just didn't get along with it and I tried hard. I am more than happy being back with Windows 7.
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Can you remember the Commodore Amiga UI?
love it brought back memorys
