Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]

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Who will rule Westeros?


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Well you have now....


Why is it a spoiler? We already know people can come back from the dead - that happened in series one. Hell, the Far North is full of people who have come back from the dead. Series three brought back Berik Dondarrion, who came back a different way. So that leaves at least two ways the dead can return. This is fantasy: if they ain't dismembered or up in smoke all bets are off.
 
He's an impressive bloke. It's just a shame they didn't hire him sooner - that fight would've looked really impressive if they had more time to train Hafthor in fighting with a sword. Instead it was like Evil Hodor fights The Viper; it was a massive bloke swinging a massive sword with no real thought or skill. If The Mountain lives, I'd love to see him fight again in a year or two after Hafthor has had some more training. It could be epic, and would show why he is feared - we've seen many characters who could have beaten Monday night's Mountain.

Not so sure about the 'many characters who could have beaten [him]'.

The only reason Oberyn lasted and semi-won was that he was massively agile - Hoplite style of fighting. If you watched the other fight scenes:

Bron merely blocked and deflecting, waiting for the cheeky kidney shot;
Ned Stark and Jamie were all about finesse with the sword, not so much their body or feet;
Syrio Forel was all about reading the opponent and parrying/blocking.
Brienne was about surprisingly strength and deflection/parry/blocks.

With a guy like the Mountain, you don't parry or block those attacks - they'd break your weapon and/or arm, you have to basically run around like a headless chicken until he tires or do as Oberyn did, and exploit his minute weak spots. The only other people that could possibly duel the Mountain and win would be the assassins I would imagine. Not even the Hound could stand up to his brother for long.
 
I've just watched it again and can confirm that it did happen. It was before the fight, when Grand Maester Pycelle is talking.

I rewatched also - it actually looks like it is Jaime and Cersei that exchange looks which makes far more sense.

Varys is also looking at Jaime, but it is not his face that is in focus in the second shot - it's Cersei's.



Also, can people posting spoilers please **** off.

Thx.
 
I think his point is he doesn't actually know so he's making no more a spoiler by making his assumption than everyone else's counter assumption.

Actually, I do know :)

The point is that nobody saw him die and nobody heard anyone say the guy's dead in the show, yet everyone's going on about him being dead.

Anyway, since you have no idea what's coming next, I haven't spoiled anything and you'll understand that in due course. (I suppose that's a spoiler too, right?)
 
No one said Oberyn's dead either, so he's coming back too :rolleyes: seriously if it's even close to spoiling don't do it, it ain't big and it ain't clever.
 
Creating a pathetic strawman argument to try and make a very weak point isn't particularly big and clever either.

The guy got his head crushed. Of course he's dead.

Spoiler alert!
Cersei is alive in the next episode
 
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Well I finally watched the episode!

"you raped her, you murdered her,.. " SPLAT! :D

Shame, because I liked Oberyn. Like everyone else, I really hope they don't kill off Tyrion
 
Even if I wasn't aware of what happens, I'd still have the same opinion based on what happened onscreen and what I've said has spoiled nothing.
A few people have jumped to silly conclusions about him just dropping dead and apparently I've ruined everything for these poor delicate souls. It's not like him being dead or alive was even a cliff hanger.

Get back to me either next week or when the season is over and tell me what exactly has been spoiled before you get too carried away with the hand wringing.
 
That spoiler completely ruined the next episode for me :( :P (She is one of the characters I just find a waste of screen space most of the time).

Not so sure about the 'many characters who could have beaten [him]'.

The only reason Oberyn lasted and semi-won was that he was massively agile - Hoplite style of fighting. If you watched the other fight scenes:

Bron merely blocked and deflecting, waiting for the cheeky kidney shot;
Ned Stark and Jamie were all about finesse with the sword, not so much their body or feet;
Syrio Forel was all about reading the opponent and parrying/blocking.
Brienne was about surprisingly strength and deflection/parry/blocks.

With a guy like the Mountain, you don't parry or block those attacks - they'd break your weapon and/or arm, you have to basically run around like a headless chicken until he tires or do as Oberyn did, and exploit his minute weak spots. The only other people that could possibly duel the Mountain and win would be the assassins I would imagine. Not even the Hound could stand up to his brother for long.

I think Jamie would have had a chance before losing his hand obviously, he underplays his movement and swordsmanship in a lazy almost sardonic way but IIRC was a talented fighter when forced to take it seriously. Though not sure he'd have been able to win without the later lessons in fighting after losing his hand but while still having it.
 
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That spoiler completely ruined the next episode for me :( :P (She is one of the characters I just find a waste of screen space most of the time).

:D I'm slightly concerned that this'll be a bit of a whoosh moment for some ;)

I think Jamie would have had a chance before losing his hand obviously, he underplays his movement and swordsmanship in a lazy almost sardonic way but IIRC was a talented fighter when forced to take it seriously.

Yeah, Jamie was probably one of the very few who could've given him a run for his money before he lost the hand.
Losing it did make his character a lot more interesting, but it did kill the chance for some pretty epic fight scenes involving him...
 
Yeah, Jamie was probably one of the very few who could've given him a run for his money before he lost the hand.
Losing it did make his character a lot more interesting, but it did kill the chance for some pretty epic fight scenes involving him...

Ah but then if Jamie was fighting, would Cersei of chosen the mountain to fight him? Who knows I guess.
 
Because he's already confirmed earlier that he knows what happens... it wasn't clear whether the mountain was dead or not and he's just confirmed that he isn't.

No that's not a spoiler. This is the spoiler, in spoiler tags.

The spoiler is the spear is suspected tipped with poison, and the mountains protracted death throws delay the conviction of tyrion.

You are RIGHT to be asking whether the mountain is dead or alive. That was an editorial decision completely missed by the production team.
 
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I think Oberyn purposefully didn't kill him because he wanted the confession. Therefore the wounds he made were no doubt planned in non leathal parts of him. His injuries would have been bad and I wouldn't necessarily expect him to last long but who knows.

Other characters have survived some pretty nasty blows (Jon comes to mind) and returned to full fitness.

Petey - i think your comments are a bit cheeky as they lead people to a conclusion based on something you've hinted at. While not really spoiling anything you have ended the arguments people were having over a draw 50/50 scenario. While this may seem pointless if you know the outcome, for those that don't it is entertaining and fun to argue and suggest possible outcomes as we really have no idea.

I think if you do know something even if it seems small and insignificant to you it's best not to mention or put in spoiler tags (genuine ones) to be on the safe side.
 
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