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With no dates for DLSS or Ray-Tracing enabled games, is being worried more than a conspiracy theory?

Safetytrousers said:
I'm not in the games industry - do developers have plausible wariness that NVIDIA will steal their secret coding?
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No, it's damn stupid. Companies will have agreements in place. When they said "send us your code", they don't really mean they expect someone to zip all the code up one day and just email it to them or something. They'll of course put agreements/contracts in place first,ie, non-disclosureetc..
NV is not in the industry of making games anyway.
Some of the things people come out with makes me laugh :D
NV will do it for free too won't they? No cost to devs. Win win for them then.
 
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Safetytrousers said:
I'm not in the games industry - do developers have plausible wariness that NVIDIA will steal their secret coding?
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Usually it's something locked away tight and only a few people have full access to. There is a risk it could be hacked via Nvidia, or a dodgy employee decides to copy some of it. You never know.

It's something worth many millions on large projects and many will not want to risk it.
 
The features are there 100% that is not made up and some of the stuff is really great!

However from the original showcase having massive floors in logic (ray tracing on and off using different lights and materials) the prices completely changing (which they just ignored and then said blamed supply and demand straight away which when you didnt even have access to preorder them makes no sense not to mention the prices changed before our eyes on the day with card's "switching" from 700 - 800 pounds within a few minutes of release).

And now dlss and ray tracing being missing on arrival with no set date it just really does not make these cards feel like a great release.

The cards actually are very nice with new design features and so on but it just really confusing why they were not release in october with more features and keeping more inline with there own pricing structure not to mention hiding the 2070 so people buy the 2080 is just off
 
Because most games are designed and developed with consoles in mind. I mean may be nVidia can pay to have RTX added to every other game, buy it isn't going to be cheap and doesn't seem to be very cost effective in the long term. Also at £550 for the cheapest offering how many GPUs are there going to be in 24 months time with RTX functionally, less than 5 percent is my guess.
 
DarrenM343 said:
No, it's damn stupid. Companies will have agreements in place. When they said "send us your code", they don't really mean they expect someone to zip all the code up one day and just email it to them or something. They'll of course put agreements/contracts in place first,ie, non-disclosureetc..
NV is not in the industry of making games anyway.
Some of the things people come out with makes me laugh :D
NV will do it for free too won't they? No cost to devs. Win win for them then.
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They may well do it for free until they get the ball rolling with a few titles but I wouldn't be surprised if some fees appear down the line for having the benevolent Nvidia tinkering with the games :P

Also, if Nvidia breaks the game, who gets the backlash? Rest assured it won't be Nvidia. The game developer with be the one getting bad press.
 
Ezyryder said:
Because most games are designed and developed with consoles in mind. I mean may be nVidia can pay to have RTX added to every other game, buy it isn't going to be cheap and doesn't seem to be very cost effective in the long term. Also at £550 for the cheapest offering how many GPUs are there going to be in 24 months time with RTX functionally, less than 5 percent is my guess.
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Yes, but when they are done for the PC, they are done for Nvidia, as they are the ones in the PC, so RTX will be used.
 
If you are worried, don't buy til you see games out that use it and show performance hits. No need for tin foil hat wearing.
 
 
easyrider said:
One shouldn’t worry about
pc hardware. :p
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:D
LoadsaMoney said:
Why would RTX fail, its for the PC :confused:
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Very well hidden sarcasm there :D
Gerard said:
Indeed, it's a word :p
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Is not conspiracy because by the time the games RT features come out, most people could have finished them and moved on :p

BF5 might have some future, but half the videos we saw are from Titan V and the other half from RTX2080Ti. Even Dice cannot make it work properly.
And in both occasions while they look good, the performance is so bad at 1080p, which will make them completely unplayable. Can you imagine struggling to play at 1080p in a multi player map?
Because the campaign it will be short (4-5 hours) as usual, if any. The main game is multiplayer pvp.

I do not believe you have a chance to say "oo shiny reflections look at them", before someone sends you back to the loading screen. :p

True games that will benefit from it are the likes of Tomb Raider, Elder Scrolls, Fallout etc.
Hell if something like that was on TESO, with all these vistas and forests it would look amazing, and I personally could buy 2 RTX2080Tis just to play on 2560x1440 :p
However ZoS ain't going to do that, ever. It has taken them now 3 years to make the DX12 client to fix the single CPU thread bottleneck.....

Also by that time next gen (next year) will be out at 10nm (Turing was designed for that node), which will be at least 20-25% faster if not more, and a single **Ti should able to pull 60fps at 1080p. And something I learned from the 8800GTX, never buy new GPU generation at the last node iteration. These things are designed with 5 years circle.
 
Props to NV for bringing RT to mass market. As with all "new" (yes I am aware ray tracing is as old as the hills) GPU tech, the card that launches with it will be useless at it in one generation if the technique takes off. I see the 20xx series falling way, way behind when the next gen RTX comes along, more than we've seen lately with good old rasterization
 
Panos said:
True games that will benefit from it are the likes of Tomb Raider, Elder Scrolls, Fallout etc.
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If they did a proper RT implementation then in theory it could be bolted onto a game like Skyrim to give significantly higher quality lighting and reflections, etc. (the stock shadow system is very lacking) and it would look immense without any other changes.
 
Panos said:
:D


Very well hidden sarcasm there :D


Is not conspiracy because by the time the games RT features come out, most people could have finished them and moved on :p

BF5 might have some future, but half the videos we saw are from Titan V and the other half from RTX2080Ti. Even Dice cannot make it work properly.
And in both occasions while they look good, the performance is so bad at 1080p, which will make them completely unplayable. Can you imagine struggling to play at 1080p in a multi player map?
Because the campaign it will be short (4-5 hours) as usual, if any. The main game is multiplayer pvp.

I do not believe you have a chance to say "oo shiny reflections look at them", before someone sends you back to the loading screen. :p

True games that will benefit from it are the likes of Tomb Raider, Elder Scrolls, Fallout etc.
Hell if something like that was on TESO, with all these vistas and forests it would look amazing, and I personally could buy 2 RTX2080Tis just to play on 2560x1440 :p
However ZoS ain't going to do that, ever. It has taken them now 3 years to make the DX12 client to fix the single CPU thread bottleneck.....

Also by that time next gen (next year) will be out at 10nm (Turing was designed for that node), which will be at least 20-25% faster if not more, and a single **Ti should able to pull 60fps at 1080p. And something I learned from the 8800GTX, never buy new GPU generation at the last node iteration. These things are designed with 5 years circle.
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What are you basing Dice can not make it work properly on? Do you mean the two weeks they had to get something going or have you read something else?
 
Rroff said:
If they did a proper RT implementation then in theory it could be bolted onto a game like Skyrim to give significantly higher quality lighting and reflections, etc. (the stock shadow system is very lacking) and it would look immense without any other changes.
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Unfortunately need new game engine :( and since ES6 goes to consoles as main market, it wont either.
Stanners said:
What are you basing Dice can not make it work properly on? Do you mean the two weeks they had to get something going or have you read something else?
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No I am not basing Dice, where I did that? Is Dice developers own words that they are struggling to bring the performance up to 1080p 60fps with ray tracing on.
Their initial Ray Tracing work was in the making since last year with Titan V using tensor cores. Only the last one with the gameplay is using Turing card. (RTX2080Ti)
 
Panos said:
Unfortunately need new game engine :( and since ES6 goes to consoles as main market, it wont either.


No I am not basing Dice, where I did that? Is Dice developers own words that they are struggling to bring the performance up to 1080p 60fps with ray tracing on.
Their initial Ray Tracing work was in the making since last year with Titan V using tensor cores. Only the last one with the gameplay is using Turing card. (RTX2080Ti)
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I said basing, did you misread that as bashing :)

I was enquiring where you got the information from. No problem, to google I go.
 
I don't think it matters wjay or when they do it. Most people are out of pc gaming once their current tech stops performing especially if prices keep going the way they are. Imagine in 5 years time when the next ti is released and it's 1800 quid. And has rtx 2.0 being utilised in 2030... obviously people will still buy it but most will be out.
 
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