Media organisations find them newsworthy else they'd not report on them... also nice straw man at the end - where has that claim been made?
Woman injured as feminists and transgender groups fight at Speakers’ Corner
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Media organisations find them newsworthy else they'd not report on them... also nice straw man at the end - where has that claim been made?
you're certainly not interested in the thread itself but rather your aim here seems to be to disrupt the thread and moan about the fact it exists, you're perfectly able to go and make your own thread about Friday night violence or whatever if you like
Is it your ball and are you taking it home now?
yup, like I said before I'm not interested in your usual time wasting/derailment stuff - if you want to discuss the topic or at least something relevant/tangental to the topic then I'm happy to engage but you're not currently doing so ergo I'm not so interested
You don't really have any intention of discussing the topic of the thread, your purpose here appears to main/derail and pick a fight basically... like I said before I'm not interested... I've seen it before from you and you're a time waster when this happens. That's it from me regarding this
I guess the issues with sports can vary - for example a trans female MMA fighter is perhaps more of an issue due to the bone structure/density built up over years even if they're now currently on hormones for example.
Likewise in sports where height is a significant advantage the distribution of height of trans females is going to shift to the right a bit relative to the distribution for regular females
I can understand why you wouldn't like this branch of feminism as some people within it probably do have straight up bigoted views re: trans people. Others I'm not so sure of, while they don't personally accept trans women to be women they also don't seem to harbour hatred but just disagree on the classification and do have some issues relating to that which have some validity re: women shelters, rape support groups where the presence of a biological male could cause issues.
It is basically a bit of a fudge/compromise - they want to be inclusive so they had to do "something" but a couple of decades growing up as a man is still going to confer some advantages
not in here per say, no one has cited elite athletes as justification for general policy choices outside the scope of sport - it was brought up to highlight an area where there can be a valid position/view to not treat trans women as being completely the same as biological women
other examples being certain legitimate 'safe spaces' such as access to women's shelters or rape support groups etc.. where the presence of a 'man' or at least someone with a penis could be seen as problematic - these are issues that these feminists highlight... aside from that it is just an argument over a label/identity
sure, trans people can be victims of rape, men can be victims of rape etc.. ditto to domestic violence. No one has claimed otherwise - the point raised was just that for say a woman shelter or for a rape counselling meeting aimed at women then someone with a penis who identifies as female might be excluded just as a man might be. That isn't denying that they can't also be victims but simply that the female victims have specifically isolated themselves to be with other women only.
it wasn't a rally AFAIK and they're not denying the rights of others, they were meeting up in order to travel to a meeting point in order to have a meeting (as convoluted as that sounds) because the eventual meeting venue had to be kept secret as a result of the previous meeting venue having to cancel the event after having received threats from the trans group. It is the trans group that pursued them and the trans group that used violence.
tbh... the biggest source of privilege is probably money - though living in the west is likely up there too