Woo-hoo, the clocks go back to GMT this weekend!

Rroff said:
Looks to be fairly centred going by the sunlight graph for London anyhow ( https://www.worlddata.info/europe/united-kingdom/sunset.php ).
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You can see the sunlight is from 8 til 4 (at its shortest) during GMT, so as a society we decided 9 to 5 was best because lolreasons but because in summer that would mean loads of sun in the morning before work and not much after, in the summer we move the clocks so we can still get 4 hours of sun after work.... which we'd get anyway if everything was based on an 8-4 day instead of 9-5 :p

When we're GMT, midday is literally the middle of the day in terms of sunlight, so quite why we all decided to do everything later so the 'middle' of the living day where people get up 6am and go to bed at 10pm is more like 2pm is just silly really :p
 
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Rroff said:
People generally try to schedule fixed tasks/appointments early in the day, so as to have the rest of the day free in an open ended way, especially if trying to do something like working on a vehicle where you don't really know how long it might take, etc. most people don't like to have something hanging over you, that you have to remember to do, all day albeit then there is the factor of motivation/laziness and deferring tasks.
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The problem is most commitments have to be done in the evening, e.g. one attends school parents evenings and not parent mornings, kids have sport or music lesson in the afternoon/evening, no one really wants to go for a cheeky couple of pints at 7am vs 7pm. Evenings are very unpredictable with many events outside your control , but as a society we leave mornings free. SO mornings are the perfect time to do anything which benefits from daylight.
 
D.P. said:
The problem is most commitments have to be done in the evening, e.g. one attends school parents evenings and not parent mornings, kids have sport or music lesson in the afternoon/evening, no one really wants to go for a cheeky couple of pints at 7am vs 7pm. Evenings are very unpredictable with many events outside your control , but as a society we leave mornings free. SO mornings are the perfect time to do anything which benefits from daylight.
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Which tends to go against your argument as for quite a bit of stuff like that ideally you'd want more hours of daylight not less - but outside of social stuff like that a lot of other things like medical or related appointments people tend to want to do earlier in the day and get out the way so they have free time the rest of the day.
 
UTmaniac said:
Without BST, we would have mid summer sunrise at 0330ish, which isn't ideal for most with alarms set for 0630 onwards.
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Yes this is the point, why did society decide that 6.30am was a sensible time to start the day when that makes everything later than the day actually starts and means we have to move the entire system of measuring time to suit it? Why wasn't it just normal to get up at 5.30am instead if that's when it was light?

There's no logic to making our daily patterns start later than morning actually starts in the summer and then moving time so our patterns can actually fit with the availability of light.

In short, whoever invented the 9-5 was a moron for not making it the 8-4 instead :p
 
Kenai said:
Yes this is the point, why did society decide that 6.30am was a sensible time to start the day when that makes everything later than the day actually starts and means we have to move the entire system of measuring time to suit it? Why wasn't it just normal to get up at 5.30am instead if that's when it was light?

There's no logic to making our daily patterns start later than morning actually starts in the summer and then moving time so our patterns can actually fit with the availability of light.

In short, whoever invented the 9-5 was a moron for not making it the 8-4 instead :p
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Be interesting to see what sleeping patterns people fell into if left to it naturally. Though there is a big difference between the sleeping pattern I'd fall into naturally and can maintain and the sleeping pattern which is most optimal for productivity (which I can't really maintain).
 
Rroff said:
Be interesting to see what sleeping patterns people fell into if left to it naturally. Though there is a big difference between the sleeping pattern I'd fall into naturally and can maintain and the sleeping pattern which is most optimal for productivity (which I can't really maintain).
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I think if 'normal working hours' weren't a thing and people had theoretical total flexibility, most would end up waking around 4am and going to bed around 8pm, give or take. Especially so in summer, as that'd be the natural light/dark cycle.

This obviously doesn't work in practice because society decided virtually nothing should happen, be open etc. before 9am, so we have to artificially move when 9am actually is so we don't waste too many hours of morning sunlight :p
 
Kenai said:
Yes this is the point, why did society decide that 6.30am was a sensible time to start the day when that makes everything later than the day actually starts and means we have to move the entire system of measuring time to suit it? Why wasn't it just normal to get up at 5.30am instead if that's when it was light?

There's no logic to making our daily patterns start later than morning actually starts in the summer and then moving time so our patterns can actually fit with the availability of light.

In short, whoever invented the 9-5 was a moron for not making it the 8-4 instead :p
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My contracted working hours are 8.30-4.30 but I Flexi to 6-2 as much as possible. Gives me proper time in the afternoon to get on with life admin or other bits
 
Rroff said:
Which tends to go against your argument as for quite a bit of stuff like that ideally you'd want more hours of daylight not less - but outside of social stuff like that a lot of other things like medical or related appointments people tend to want to do earlier in the day and get out the way so they have free time the rest of the day.
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But it would need many hours more daylight in the evening which isn't possible, but gaining 1 jour when it is usable in the morning is much easier with GMT, or better still GMT-1
 
The biggest thing for me aside from the incessant misery and darkness, is the unfathomable decline in roadcraft. I used to moan about people driving along with no lights / all the lights, but honestly I think this country has a massive undiagnosed night-blindness epidemic. Watching people struggle to get through gaps and generally make arses of themselves on the roads now that it's darker is quite something to behold. Tonight was a perfect example, I literally watched a Model X follow a double decker bus through some traffic. The bus just bimbled through with a foot or so on either side, yet this tesla driver had to slow to a crawl at every point to try and squeeze this car through. Granted I notice this a lot on the best of days but over the last few days it's noticeably worse.

I might buy some shares in Specsaver and then punt an idea over to the Daily Mail, could make some serious bank :D
 
Diddums said:
The biggest thing for me aside from the incessant misery and darkness, is the unfathomable decline in roadcraft. I used to moan about people driving along with no lights / all the lights, but honestly I think this country has a massive undiagnosed night-blindness epidemic. Watching people struggle to get through gaps and generally make arses of themselves on the roads now that it's darker is quite something to behold. Tonight was a perfect example, I literally watched a Model X follow a double decker bus through some traffic. The bus just bimbled through with a foot or so on either side, yet this tesla driver had to slow to a crawl at every point to try and squeeze this car through. Granted I notice this a lot on the best of days but over the last few days it's noticeably worse.

I might buy some shares in Specsaver and then punt an idea over to the Daily Mail, could make some serious bank :D
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Something I mentioned in another thread - there is quite a difference in night vision and how easily dazzled people are by light in dark conditions, one factor being iris colour, can't easily correct for that. Some people will have trouble in dark/gloomy conditions interspersed with headlights.

But then some people have no idea as to the width of their vehicle and are just poor drivers.
 
Sundials in the UK, an oxymoron, didn't they stop when they found Stonehenge wasn't so useful - conversely ex employer in Texas had one in car park reputedly 2M$.

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Decline in night driving dexterity probably proportional to increased car width/SUV take over -
local idiot has a model X these are wide like a tank, practically the only local I've had an argument with, after he tried a, bibi style, precision attack against my bicycle.
 
People bleating abound it being dark when they finish work now.

Sunset here is now 16:30. If we hadn't changed, it would have been 17:30 which is when most people finish work, so within twenty minutes of being dark anyway. It'll only be another ten days or so before it would have been completely dark at 17:30 if the clocks hadn't changed.

The earlier lightness in the morning far outweighs that.

It's a non argument.
 
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