Soldato
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Wow, he got pretty close.
Armed response definitely need a 'copter response team like HEMS.
Woolwich serious incident
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Wow, he got pretty close.
Armed response definitely need a 'copter response team like HEMS.
Peaceful protest?
What do you think this is? a democracy? How naive can you get.
These are crazed extremists blowing themselves up and hacking soldiers and you want to have a "peaceful protest" against them
Hi there w3bbo, you are right in saying that the Qur'an can be taken out of context too easily, this is indeed very true. You see, the Qur'an is comprised of the Classical Arabic language (deep and rich in vocabulary) which means that in order to understand it, one must study it for a number of years. It is a fact recognized by the linguists of today that the Arabic language has the best ability to express wide and deep thoughts and to explain important subjects in short and precise words. Unfortunately, as I'm sure you can understand - people make the grave mistake of trying to understand the Qur'an from the get-go.
With regards to the Muslim communities having to take responsibility to ensure such atrocities do not occur. I'm not sure they are obliged to take responsibility as such. There have been many Muslim communities denouncing the events of today, with many stating that the perpetrators were not even part of their communities. Additionally, many Imams and Mosques have spoken loudly against the actions of the Woolwich murderers, need they do any more?
As for those who partake in spitting at soldiers returning from tours of duty, burning poppies and the British flag on remembrance day. What can I tell you w3bbo? The vast majority of UK Muslims oppose such actions AFAIK and want nothing to do with such characters. I think the group you are referring to are Anjem Choudary's group (which no one really likes anyway).
Ultimately, you are correct in the sense that the UK Muslims need a louder voice. When such atrocities occur, people need to know that the Muslims are against such incidents and that their religion does not teach nor allow such unfathomable events.
I sincerely hope you understand.
These are crazed extremists blowing themselves up and hacking soldiers and you want to have a "peaceful protest" against them
Never heard of Ghandi then.
Soldato
some protesting against this ie " No it our name" outside those mosques that harbor these idiots would go along way in allying peoples fears. Token verbal utterances are cheap.
I think they do the leaders are very quick to condemn such actions. You seem to be a rather eloquent and knowledgable chap - have you ever gone into the places where these false messages are given and challenged the teaching in those mosques and universities etc? Just out of interest.
You cant just go into a crack house and tell everyone to simply stop being addicted to cocaine.
What makes you think one can simply walk into a terrorist meeting and start telling them to stop wanting to terrorise?
The crackheads will probably lob a bag of needles at you and the terrorists will lob a few bombs at you.
Because these are not terrorist meetings are they these are places of worship - mosques. The are perverting the message of the one true god and they are not doing it in some living room they are doing it openly and in public - without challenge. And I doubt they carry bombs everywhere not every can get advanced weaponry as quickly as you can.
Soldato
Is it bad that I feel better after watching that?
Soldato
Personally, I don't think the muslim community would ever be able to stop this sort of thing happening by extremists. Maybe reduce it but never eradicate it. They can educate as much as they like, but like in all walks of life, to do with religion or not, where the majority of people are good, there will always be unbalanced people ready to pull a trigger or wield a knife. And as long as the likes of Choudray exist to brainwash weak minded, uneducated, stupid individuals with nothing else in their lives, there will always be these incidents.
I'm afraid I haven't Xordium. I have heard that such environments can become heated if challenged and that unfortunately, it is not as simple as you may suggest. Additionally, one simply does not have the time, money and resources (as well as bodyguards) to challenge such groups. Furthermore, before challenging them, one must find them.. and how does one find such groups? With all due respect, It simply seems a bit impractical and somewhat unrealistic. I am not the religious police
Can't beleive the Mirror's take on it after watching the video. They made it out the other guy was doining a poincer movement and the two cops in the first car were luckily saved by other armed officers. The 2nd guy, albeit who had a gun, been so far away from the first car was less of a threat. The cops in the first car had loads of time to take him down themselves.
And I thought a woman armed cop shot them? It says the woman only had a taser and it was her male colleague who shot them????
Soldato
Has anyone actually said that ?
I think Craterloads was posting to show some double standards but nothing more, I don't believe he or anyone else here is happy about terrorist attacks on UK soil.
The fear of racism stops any serious political debate and that enables the likes of the BNP and EDL.
Crackhouse/addicted to coke and throwing needles? doesn't make sense. you know nothing of the streets and ur probably addicted to maal yourself mr kaffir. you shouldn't really comment on islam seeing as ur an apostate.
Thank you for the honest and thoughtful response. I guess what I'm trying to say is that a stronger representation of what is claimed to be 'true' Islam would go some way to smothering the racial hatred that festers from such incidents from both sides of the fence.
Soldato
I'd vote for this guy to be Prime Minister
He would never make Prime Minister, he doesn't paint the right picture.
He would never make Prime Minister, he doesn't paint the right picture.