Woolwich serious incident

Arthur Hucksake said:
What ****es me off. Aren't they monitoring these idiots?

Government cutbacks to policing cannot help. I don't think the general public would mind paying an £1 tax a week if it meant security forces were given more resources to actively hunt terror cells.
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If we we're to monitor every potential muppet in this country I suspect the cost might be more than a few million. Then you'll no doubt whine about our big brother state. Or maybe we should open or own Guantanamo Bay?
 
According to sky sources: Intelligence services assessed the woolwich attack suspects as not posing a threat to life.




I think they need to reassess how they assess people
(Don't read that out loud if you have a lisp)
 
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CREATIVE!11 said:
Yeah but other faiths don't make woman wear burkas, let dudes marry multiple wives (unless Mormonism lols) and other religions are not ones going around beheading people in the name of Allah.

Also honour killings, acid attacks, public stoning etc don't occur in other religions either. At least not in this modern day and age.

And they don't have Sharia law which is the most backwards thing I've ever heard of.
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Hi there Creative, I thought I would address some of your points seeing as I have spoken to many Muslim friends of mine regarding those issues.

Firstly, the Burka is not from Islam, if you go to the Middle East, they teach you that it came from culture and tradition (and that it is not mentioned in the Quran). In Islam, the Hijab is what women are taught to wear (which is to cover the body and hair in loose clothing whilst leaving the whole face and hands visible .etc.). Perhaps even the Niqab (which leaves only the eyes visible) according to some interpretations/opinions. There's a reason why you only tend to see Burkas in Afghanistan.

Secondly, the polygamy issue was not introduced because the men were hormonal and lustful. The Quran was revealed to a society where polygamy was commonplace and men could have many wives (e.g. more than four for example). By setting an upper limit, citing a moral restriction on polygamy and limiting the situations in which it is allowed would result in reducing polygamy significantly. The Quran is very clear on this subject, that monogamy is the basis for normal relationships, while polygamy is allowed in cases involving marrying the mothers of orphans so that the orphans are taken care of. A maximum of four wives are allowed in such cases. For example, in the aftermath of war, it is likely that many men would have lost their lives, resulting in many widows with fatherless children, thus The Quran allows an exception in these cases so that the needs of the wider community can be met

Thirdly, Islam does not 'make' or 'teach' or 'force' people to behead others in the name of Allah. In fact, quite the opposite, please read: http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html

With regards to the honour killings and acid attacks, they are merely limited to geographical location/culture and are not from the religion itself. Read more here: http://www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/honour-killings-women.htm

With regards to Sharia Law being the most backwards thing you have ever heard of, I am sure you would agree that something must be studied in great depth before being described as backwards. In great depth meaning that there are many factors that must be considered such as context, language, historical application, interpretation and various other factors. I have heard that it can take years to study...

Creative, I understand that you may have some frustration but I, like many others here, have many Muslim friends and they appreciate it when you are a little educated on a topic concerning their religion before starting an argument or debate. Perhaps this is a life lesson and I mean it with the kindest regards, study and learn before you speak I suppose.. Knowledge is power and all that.
 
Blackhawk47 said:
OH LOOK, SAME OLD OCUK MEMBERS VOICING THEIR OPINIONS.

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Why can't people post once or twice and leave it at that rather than the constant debating on a subject they probably haven't even had an opinion on until this incident.

*excluding gilly of course....
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Come on man, I hardly ever get involved in these types of dabates on the forum but in this case, with such a tragic event I felt I had somethign to contribute.

Most of my posts seemed to have been defending against posters who made personal abuse though................:rolleyes:
 
scorza said:
Amazing how many people don't have a clue about the crusades, do you support the actions of the British government to reclaim the Falkland Islands in the '80s?
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I didn't actually. The fact that it appears we had been negotiating to hand the Falkland Islands over to them and for some bizarre reason rather than waiting, they invaded instead suited our Government. It meant we could have a war and they would win the next election (which they did).

Politics caused that conflict and that unnecceassy death.
 
Greebo said:
I didn't actually. The fact that it appears we had been negotiating to hand the Falkland Islands over to them and for some bizarre reason rather than waiting,
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There is no real evidence to support this, pretty much all previous negotiations failed due to the Islanders not wanting to be Argentinian (and still not wanting to be Argentinian). Self determination can be such a pain at times.
 
Yas786 said:
And i will gladly answer that, the answer would be a resounding NO. If i wanted to live in a sharia state, then id move to a country where Sharia is the law.

I dont claim to speak for muslims, but for me and my family our answer would be a no simple as that.
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I agree, we all accept this is a BRITISH country not a Muslim one, so why would we impose something on you?

LOL absolutely not, im not the exception to the norm. I practise my religion but i practise it moderately...same with my parents and family. I was raised with simple islamic values and nothing to do with British values. For me Islam is all about tolerance, its really is as simple as that.
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Can we please stop spouting words as "moderate/extreme" muslims.. This implies that our religion advocates killing and one who does this is "extreme", we are moderate because we do not choose to follow that ruling... This is a word coined by the USA and everyone is using it wrongly!

Example: If i prayed 5 times a day, would that be "extreme" or would that be me following my religion?
 
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