working for your dole......

oldbag said:
Not really. I'm happy that people don't spend a life on benefits (who are able to work) but there also needs to be the conditions where they can get a job and afford to live on a basic wage. There should be a notable difference between being on benefits and earning a basic wage that someone can live on.

Unless we are happy about tossing people on the street and the consequences of that.
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House prices (rental/purchase) are the problem with this, not minimum wage. The INSANE cost of living has happened in the last 15 years. Not surprisingly in that period house prices have tripled. Average house prices went from 2-3 times average wage to 7 (11x average wage where I live).
 
oldbag said:
Not really. I'm happy that people don't spend a life on benefits (who are able to work) but there also needs to be the conditions where they can get a job and afford to live on a basic wage. There should be a notable difference between being on benefits and earning a basic wage that someone can live on.

Unless we are happy about tossing people on the street and the consequences of that.
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and paying the best part of £13 and hour would help?
do you even realise what would happen to the price of a loaf of bread if this was to happen?

worst idea ever.
 
well if everyone was earing £13 and hour, the prices of everything would rocket, cancelling out any gain, making the country highly unattractive to foreign investors and plunging the country into the dark ages
 
would it not affect the sort of skilled labour/office job class the most the people earning above minimum wage but still in the 20-24k region as it's unlikely they'd get a pay rise that would compensate fully for the increase in necessities, where as all the minimum wage employes would, and the very high earners wouldn't be affected as much due to higher disposable income.

just seems to strike at the group that is still working hard but still quite restricted in thier disposable income as they earn enough to be out of the bracket for most support but high enough earners to likely have a mortgage and larger bills.

it just seems very unfair to punish those that have worked to make something of themselves but were clearly never going to be a doctor or a high class lawyer etc, but make up the bulk of our traditional skilled manufacturing sectors which are some of our biggest exporters/net gainers for the country.
 
nick.lidgett said:
well if everyone was earing £13 and hour, the prices of everything would rocket, cancelling out any gain, making the country highly unattractive to foreign investors and plunging the country into the dark ages
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Wrong.

The average wage in the UK is £26,500+ now (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20442666) - if everybody was earning £13 an hour (Which is £25k at 37 hours a week) the average cost of goods in the UK would go down.

That's ignoring the fact that employee wages are only a portion of total costs to produce a given good, so depending on how this is split an increase in the minimum wage would impact every single company differently.
 
elmarko said:
Wrong.

The average wage in the UK is £26,500+ now (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20442666) - if everybody was earning £13 an hour (Which is £25k at 37 hours a week) the average cost of goods in the UK would go down.

That's ignoring the fact that employee wages are only a portion of total costs to produce a given good, so depending on how this is split an increase in the minimum wage would impact every single company differently.
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A lesson for some who haven't had din dins yet.
 
elmarko said:
Wrong.

The average wage in the UK is £26,500+ now (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20442666) - if everybody was earning £13 an hour (Which is £25k at 37 hours a week) the average cost of goods in the UK would go down.

That's ignoring the fact that employee wages are only a portion of total costs to produce a given good, so depending on how this is split an increase in the minimum wage would impact every single company differently.
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get lost, go tell that to mr Honda when he has to pay all his staff £13 and hour, and watch him close his factories and move them outside the UK.
Then go and tell all the people who lost their jobs is ok because they can claim the dole and never get made to work again...........
 
nick.lidgett said:
get lost, go tell that to mr Honda when he has to pay all his staff £13 and hour, and watch him close his factories and move them outside the UK.
Then go and tell all the people who lost their jobs is ok because they can claim the dole and never get made to work again...........
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Perhaps the workers should seize the means of production from Mr Honda and continue making cars?
 
nick.lidgett said:
get lost, go tell that to mr Honda when he has to pay all his staff £13 and hour, and watch him close his factories and move them outside the UK.
Then go and tell all the people who lost their jobs is ok because they can claim the dole and never get made to work again...........
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In 2006 the average wage in for a large Honda factory was £20,000.

http://www.carpages.co.uk/honda/honda-swindon-factory-06-02-06.asp

Adjust that for inflation over the last 7 years (22.56%) puts that up-to £24,512.00.

I hardly think if a factory rises wages by 2% this year they are going to go under (as I'd wager they already have raises higher than that agreed due to inflation).

Try harder.
 
AndyT said:
There is always some kind of learning or volunteering you can be doing to demonstrate willingness to learn and become productive.
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Ah but the thing is people have been doing volunteering and the jobcenters/work programmes have been pulling them out to do WORK. You have to do what the government wants you to do when it comes to unpaid work not what you want to do.

Remember the museum story?
 
Glaucus said:
Unlikely, i would get another job.
Get on freecycle and get your self a bike, that increases your range and is free.

Theres several grants and things available for jsa for moving house.
The scheme is after two years, thats more than enough time for people to find a job, if they haven't found a job i n two years, its unlikely they will.
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Just shows you've never been in this situation, there are grants but you are very unlikely to get one. The max a single adult can claim for is £348, that doesn't even cover a bond let alone first months rent and moving costs.
 
elmarko said:
In 2006 the average wage in for a large Honda factory was £20,000.

http://www.carpages.co.uk/honda/honda-swindon-factory-06-02-06.asp

Adjust that for inflation over the last 7 years (22.56%) puts that up-to £24,512.00.

I hardly think if a factory rises wages by 2% this year they are going to go under (as I'd wager they already have raises higher than that agreed due to inflation).

Try harder.
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yeah but they don't work for minimum wage do they, if minimum wage went up then everybody elses wage would go up accordingly, people in skilled jobs wont sit back and accept they have to earn the same as unskilled workers are they?
and the builder isn't gunna charge you the same £100 a day now if he knows you are on atleast £13 an hour is he?
Super markets are not going to lower prices if every one is earning more

money goes to money,

Try harder.
 
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