working for your dole......

[TheLegendOfMart]

Easily a bicycle costs nothing.loads of free ones about.
Mopeds a few hundred max, and you'r paying rent so can pay rent elsewhere, yu can even get a job in another part of the country before even moving. Defeatists attitude, not a surprise.
Its amazing what you can do if you want, just a small percent of the population cba. And it shows in their attitude.
Which is what this scheme is aimed at you have two years to sort your life out, after that you do some menial tasks for your benefits.

I'm not paying rent, its mostly being paid for by the government. I can't afford £1000 just so I can move to a different area. It's not a defeatist attitude it's just impossible.

A moped is a few hundred quid, where do I get this money from, I top up my rent and council tax, buy food and that's it all my money gone.

It's not two years either, it's one year and you go on 2 year work programme.

 

[kitch9]

Not all of us can go for that 16h a week job though, I live alone and I have to pay rent, council tax, etc.. I need 30 hours a week minimum, I don't drive and nearest city is 2 hours away by bus.

99% of the jobs that I can actually apply for in my area are under 16 hours a week.

The likelyhood of me being long term unemployed is pretty much certain and this means I am going to be penalised through no fault of my own.

The problem with these government initiatives is that they are a catch all. They, and the general public, don't care about circumstances all they see is that they are paying for me to live and the amount of abuse I have to put up with is ridiculous.

What you should do is carry on wallowing in self pity and excuses and just carry on signing on.

That sounds a good plan. If someone offers you free training and transport to that training you should complain about it as you clearly have no chance of getting a job anyway so whats the point?

Keep in mind guys even with all my posts in this thread, I do not support this gov initiative. It will be badly implemented like many of the half assed measures they put in place that I work and experiance everyday, it will cost tax payers more money and be a downright failure. Why? because they will rush it out. This is not something that can be done over night.

Also private business should not profit off of this as they should not work per hour for less then there JSA. That would essentially be them working for less then minimum wage and that is surely unfair. They should be offered the ability to do work equivlent to what they are paid in areas that help the community. This should all be done on individual basis as there are people who cant do any of these things but you know they faff it all up so \o/

Yeah, its much better that we carry on with the status quo and do nothing.

 

[Allnamestaken]

What you should do is carry on wallowing in self pity and excuses and just carry on signing on.

That sounds a good plan. If someone offers you free training and transport to that training you should complain about it as you clearly have no chance of getting a job anyway so whats the point?

 

[elmarko]

Easily a bicycle costs nothing.loads of free ones about.

Where?.

Mopeds a few hundred max,

+ fuel + insurance.

and you'r paying rent so can pay rent elsewhere,

Because rent costs the same everywhere & moving is free - derp.

yu can even get a job in another part of the country before even moving. Defeatists attitude, not a surprise.

Maybe you should make better suggestions instead.

Its amazing what you can do if you want, just a small percent of the population cba. And it shows in their attitude.
Which is what this scheme is aimed at you have two years to sort your life out, after that you do some menial tasks for your benefits.

It's also amazing how clueless otherwise intelligent people are on these issues.

 

[Glaucus]

Of course its defeatist. No friends, no family? Another mate, tried doing his own business that hasn't worked out and been living rent free with a mate until he's back on his feet, which he pretty much is after 6months. Non of this impossible attitude, takes what ever he can and has been thousands in the last few months to HrMc at the same time

No cash in hand jobs? To get some capital.
Offerd to do day labouring to anyone and anybody who will listen from window cleaners to building sites.

It is absolutely defeatist.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

What you should do is carry on wallowing in self pity and excuses and just carry on signing on.

That sounds a good plan. If someone offers you free training and transport to that training you should complain about it as you clearly have no chance of getting a job anyway so whats the point?

Tell me where this free training comes from, I've been to all the "training" the job center can send me for which includes sitting in a room with 4-5 computers with 30 other people twiddling my thumbs before I can get onto a computer.

I've had interview skills, job seeking skills, job application skills, CV skills "training" only for the job center to ask me who did my CV because it was terrible, going off the advice I got at this "training" provider.

Of course its defeatist. No friends, no family? Another mate, tried doing his own business that hasn't worked out and been living rent free with a mate until he's back on his feet, which he pretty much is after 6months. Non of this impossible attitude, takes what ever he can and has been thousands in the last few months to HrMc at the same time

Nope. My family all have their own family, I wouldn't want to impose myself on them for months.

No cash in hand jobs? To get some capital.
Offerd to do day labouring to anyone and anybody who will listen from window cleaners to building sites.

You want me to commit benefit fraud by getting cash in hand?

I go to town nearly every day into shops asking if they need staff, I've personally handed CVs in at a lot of the shops and factories in the area.

It is absolutely defeatist.

If you say so.

 

[Allnamestaken]

Yeah, its much better that we carry on with the status quo and do nothing.

Did I say we should do nothing? but drastic changes right now expectially the short time in which they are proposing them will cause more problems than they are worth. Bad implementation of new ideas is never a good thing. It needs to be carefully done.

 

[Malevolence]

I can't see the current council workers who're employed as street cleaners and graffiti cleaner-uppers being overly chuffed about their jobs being taken away and given to the unemployed. I can foresee a situation where the aforementioned council workers will find themselves being dumped on the dole and then being forced to do the job they used to do, but for free.

 

[Glaucus]

Tell me where this free training comes from, I've been to all the "training" the job center can send me for which includes sitting in a room with 4-5 computers with 30 other people twiddling my thumbs before I can get onto a computer.

I've had interview skills, job seeking skills, job application skills, CV skills "training" only for the job center to ask me who did my CV because it was terrible, going off the advice I got at this "training" provider.

For a start have you even posted your cv on here for people to look at? To see what its like.

 

[nick.lidgett]

If there is work to be done, pay a wage for it.

They do get a "wage" for it, the get their prescriptions, jsa, council tax, housing benefit, free school meals for their kids.... everything working people have to pay for, what else should we
give them?

 

[elmarko]

Of course its defeatist. No friends, no family? Another mate, tried doing his own business that hasn't worked out and been living rent free with a mate until he's back on his feet, which he pretty much is after 6months. Non of this impossible attitude, takes what ever he can and has been thousands in the last few months to HrMc at the same time

No cash in hand jobs? To get some capital.
Offerd to do day labouring to anyone and anybody who will listen from window cleaners to building sites.

It is absolutely defeatist.

We all have a friend in our pocket we can live rent free with at the drop of a hat.

Derp.

 

[Allnamestaken]

Tell me where this free training comes from, I've been to all the "training" the job center can send me for which includes sitting in a room with 4-5 computers with 30 other people twiddling my thumbs before I can get onto a computer.

I've had interview skills, job seeking skills, job application skills, CV skills "training" only for the job center to ask me who did my CV because it was terrible, going off the advice I got at this "training" provider.

Use the internet go out and seek it yourself, if your thirsty enough you will find things to look at. Dont expect to be given all the ideas.

Most of the training related to the job centre or work programme will not get you that far. You need to look into private training via work trials and work experiance based training. Its harder to get into obviously but you get more out of things like that.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

Use the internet go out and seek it yourself, if your thirsty enough you will find things to look at. Dont expect to be given all the ideas.

Nice, so someone who works in job center wont give out "all the ideas" potentially getting someone off benefits because they can't or don't know where to look for themselves.

That has totally been my experience with job center staff.

Also I have a cover letter I have written my self explaining my situation and how I would be prepared to do a work trial just to get experience that I give out with every CV I send.

 

[demonix]

I've had interview skills, job seeking skills, job application skills, CV skills "training" only for the job center to ask me who did my CV because it was terrible, going off the advice I got at this "training" provider.

Was that CV done for you by someone else?

Having a CV written by someone else is a bad idea as it could either be full of garbage that doesn't describe you correctly or full of typing errors (the latter happened to me, which lead to my junking a large part of my CV and doing it myself so it didn't look like it had been done by someone who had serious problems with spelling).

 

[hurfdurf]

Of course its defeatist. No friends, no family? Another mate, tried doing his own business that hasn't worked out and been living rent free with a mate until he's back on his feet, which he pretty much is after 6months. Non of this impossible attitude, takes what ever he can and has been thousands in the last few months to HrMc at the same time

No cash in hand jobs? To get some capital.
Offerd to do day labouring to anyone and anybody who will listen from window cleaners to building sites.

It is absolutely defeatist.

You don't live in the real world do you mate?

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

Was that CV done for you by someone else?

Having a CV written by someone else is a bad idea as it could either be full of garbage that doesn't describe you correctly or full of typing errors (the latter happened to me, which lead to my junking a large part of my CV and doing it myself so it didn't look like it had been done by someone who had serious problems with spelling).

It was written by my disability advisor at Remploy who asked me who did my last CV as it was rubbish, which was written by Training West Lancs the last place job center sent me to "train" on how I should wash myself before an interview.

 

[Glaucus]

You don't live in the real world do you mate?

Where do i live then?
Stupid statement.

Just because I'll do whats needed to look after myself, i don't live in the real world. Ok then.
He can carry on with his current attitude, and chances are he wont find anything, or he can have a think about how he could really try to get a job and not just think of "impossible" barriers. Which certainly aren't impossible.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

Where do i live then?
Stupid statement.

Just because I'll do whats needed to look after myself, i don't live in the real world. Ok then.
He can carry on with his current attitude, and chances are he wont find anything, or he can have a think about how he could really try to get a job and not just think of "impossible" barriers. Which certainly aren't impossible.

Lend me a £1000 so I can move house or a few hundred for a moped then?

 

[Glaucus]

Lend me a £1000 so I can move house or a few hundred for a moped then?

Good attitude. Like i have a grand to spare.
Always a barrier never a solution.
And I wouldn't lend to you either as it would be wasted, much rather help people out, who help themselves, and have done many times.

 

[hurfdurf]

Where do i live then?
Stupid statement.

Just because I'll do whats needed to look after myself, i don't live in the real world. Ok then.
He can carry on with his current attitude, and chances are he wont find anything, or he can have a think about how he could really try to get a job and not just think of "impossible" barriers. Which certainly aren't impossible.

You seem to live in this fantasy land where everyone has friends who will let them live with them and there are all these cash in hand jobs around for poor people to build up "capital". None of that suggests you have ever been in a position that does not reek of absolute privilege. Check your privilege, it really is uncouth.