Would english teams win as much without foreign players?

It's definitely possible to make it without bulk or size in the uk. Look at walcott, look at swp, look at wilshire, mceachran... and so on. Yes, we've had a problem with our youth coaching but it is changing.

The premier league is the strongest league in the world because of its strength in depth. No league can produce such strength from purely domestic players. Now I think we would all like there to be more english/british players in the top teams but that will take time.
 
The question doesn't make any sense.

You're right, I did word it poorly.:p My meaning behind the title is, if for example, manchester city didn't have all their foreign players, would they have won as much, ie, won enough games to get to the FA cup final and win it. No, they wouldn't. Football should be about english born and bred players. Seems hypocritical to me that all these foreign players are allowed to infest ENGLISH football, but not allowed in the england team. Look at how many foreign players, it's a complete joke if you ask me. http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Players
 
You're right, I did word it poorly.:p My meaning behind the title is, if for example, manchester city didn't have all their foreign players, would they have won as much, ie, won enough games to get to the FA cup final and win it. No, they wouldn't. Football should be about english born and bred players. Seems hypocritical to me that all these foreign players are allowed to infest ENGLISH football, but not allowed in the england team. Look at how many foreign players, it's a complete joke if you ask me. http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Players

Other than being laughably racist, can you come up with a good reason football should be about english born and bred?

Firstly, go far enough back most of us have blood steming from all over the world, aswell as England.

Secondly, football is about football, thats it. I'd prefer to see the BEST football I can with the BEST players, not watch a league that 1/100th of the worlds best players could produce, because it WILL be inferior.
 
Think of it in a financial sense as well. The top clubs in England are so by a big way because of the money Europe brings in. There is zero way in this day and age we could produce 44 players + that would reap the same rewards as our sides do now. If it wasn't for Barcelona we'd have probably won at least 2 or 3 more European Cups in the last decade.
 
Other than being laughably racist, can you come up with a good reason football should be about english born and bred?

Firstly, go far enough back most of us have blood steming from all over the world, aswell as England.

Secondly, football is about football, thats it. I'd prefer to see the BEST football I can with the BEST players, not watch a league that 1/100th of the worlds best players could produce, because it WILL be inferior.

Lol you fool, it's got absolutely bugger all to do with being racist, otherwise you might accuse FIFA of that for not letting foreign players play in the england squad. I like to see english athletes in all UK sports, because this is the country I support in sports. Would you be happy if every english team had no english players at all, and they were all german, brazilian, argentinian, italian and french? No doubt you'd love it, just so you can see great football.
 
My meaning behind the title is, if for example, manchester city didn't have all their foreign players, would they have won as much, ie, won enough games to get to the FA cup final and win it.

I'm guessing you're conveniently ignoring the successes of Manchester United (and Birmingham, for that matter) this season, on account of them having more English players in their sides?
 
For the position they're in, Man City have a fair amount of English players who start regularly. As much as those around them.

Bar Joe Hart though I don't rate the others. SWP, Milner and Barry I wouldn't be surprised to see all leave. I sometimes think clubs do buy players based on nationalities to appease fans.
 
Removing foreigners from the game would be a disaster. The English game would descend back into hit-and-hope agricultural 4-4-2 football. Our players would think they're world beaters because they won the Premier League.

Then we'd go to the World Cup and get thrashed even more than we do at the moment.
 
I'm guessing you're conveniently ignoring the successes of Manchester United (and Birmingham, for that matter) this season, on account of them having more English players in their sides?

I'm guessing that these teams, without the propup of the various star foreign players in their lineups, would not be so successful.
 
What, all clubs? I refer you back to post #14.

If you're saying that teams with foreign players do better than teams with only English players in, then no ****. There's only a small number of top level players in the world, and only a tiny handful of them are English. Perhaps we should be mustering a slightly larger contingent, but what more can you expect?
 
The biggest problem we have is that we don't develop a national side, take the U-21 championships in the summer, people are moaning that wilshire and Carol have been included in the squad, Steve Wigley gave an interview after the Bristol City end of season awards in which he highlights a problem we have, our teams at international level aren't allowed to grow together, we pull out any decent players from the u-21's pretty much as soon as we can.

In denmark Spain will have busquets and bojan, pepe will also be there, before they won the Euro's and the WC the likes of xavi, inniesta, Torres, et all all played in the U-21's together, their team has grown from a young age into the team it is now.

Managers complain about players getting burned out, but arguably the best player in the world Messi has had maybe one summer break in the last 6/7 years, having played in world cups, olympics, u-21 world cups, copa america's and i don't think having scored 50 odd goals this season you could say he's burnt out.

At international level we need a coherant development system whereby the players play together from the U-19's and U-21's right up to the senior team, as it is the players hardly play together unless they are at the same club as we seem to have some strange reluctance to put our best players on show at every given opportunity.
 
League managers aren't stupid - notice the frequent two week injuries that Rooney, Gerrard and Terry have gotten over the years? They're not being unpatriotic, a balance has to be struck otherwise the top guys would be playing 60+ games every year on top of summer tournaments.

Arsenal fans aren't moaning that Wilshere's in the U21 summer tournament - doing so is fine as it's away from the domestic season. It's that as things stand he's following the path of his club captain, who also played in consecutive summers and was pretty much out of form and injury prone throughout most of this season. Arsenal pay his wages so should we just wait for this scenario to unfold quietly? Cesc is a far better example of what will happen to Wilshere, rather than scraping the bottom of the barrel, looking at Barca or Messi and presuming that everybody else can emulate them.

La Liga can't be compared to the EPL as you and commentators have done throughout this year. It's less physical, we have one less competition. Messi like Barca are the exception that proves the rule, only Barca are Barca. They work incredibly hard such that Messi rests plenty of times on the pitch. He's also good enough such that his potency is efficient; Barca frequently from early on in games and coast the remaining minutes.
 
League managers aren't stupid - notice the frequent two week injuries that Rooney, Gerrard and Terry have gotten over the years? They're not being unpatriotic, a balance has to be struck otherwise the top guys would be playing 60+ games every year on top of summer tournaments.

Arsenal fans aren't moaning that Wilshere's in the U21 summer tournament - doing so is fine as it's away from the domestic season. It's that as things stand he's following the path of his club captain, who also played in consecutive summers and was pretty much out of form and injury prone throughout most of this season. Arsenal pay his wages so should we just wait for this scenario to unfold quietly? Cesc is a far better example of what will happen to Wilshere, rather than scraping the bottom of the barrel, looking at Barca or Messi and presuming that everybody else can emulate them.

La Liga can't be compared to the EPL as you and commentators have done throughout this year. It's less physical, we have one less competition. Messi like Barca are the exception that proves the rule, only Barca are Barca. They work incredibly hard such that Messi rests plenty of times on the pitch. He's also good enough such that his potency is efficient; Barca frequently from early on in games and coast the remaining minutes.

You mean Fabregas that barely gets a game in the Spain side ? ah i see so Fabregas is burnt out because he's basically spent 2 summers watching Spain play football ? While Xavi has played almost every game, and covers on average more ground than most at about 12k a game and we can see how knackered he is when repetedly tearing the best sides in Europe apart in the CL, sorry but the argument is complete rubbish.

Beckham works his nuts off and has been playing almost constantly in some years and he's still able to play well and work his nuts off at 35/36 so im fairly sure a 19 year old can probably do it.

Not everyone in Spain has always played for Barca, Villa has been pretty damn good for the last few years and while at Valencia, he was playing for the Spanish U-21's and the spanish national side on a regular basis, and didn't burn out.

The spanish league players don't work less than their english counterparts, Dani Alves, covers 12-15 km per game in the CL which is much more than the likes of Rooney who is a bloody hard worker and tireless runner.

La Liga is slower paced football but the players still work as hard.

Maybe if more of our players took the example of the foreign players in the EPL and stopped getting ****faced on a regular basis then maybe their fitness would be up to playing lots of games. Alcohol does untold damage to a players fitness and is the reason why so few European players drink so little if at all.
 
You mean Fabregas that barely gets a game in the Spain side ? ah i see so Fabregas is burnt out because he's basically spent 2 summers watching Spain play football ? While Xavi has played almost every game, and covers on average more ground than most at about 12k a game and we can see how knackered he is when repetedly tearing the best sides in Europe apart in the CL, sorry but the argument is complete rubbish.

As I've said above Barca and their players are the exception to the rule that the rest of Europe has deemed necessary to follow. Playing 60+ games a year, without rest is by and large a recipe for disaster.

Cesc doesn't get the summer off. He still makes appearances for Spain, still trains for them and plays competitively. So to say he does nothing for them is a gross over exaggeration. He also most importantly returns to domestic football in a wholly different league.

Beckham works his nuts off and has been playing almost constantly in some years and he's still able to play well and work his nuts off at 35/36 so im fairly sure a 19 year old can probably do it.

Beckham too took strategic holidays now and again. You can't really compare La Liga or the MLS league to the EPL.

Also, even at Madrid he only averaged around 40 domestic games per year, far less in the USA, so not what I was referring to at all.

Not everyone in Spain has always played for Barca, Villa has been pretty damn good for the last few years and while at Valencia, he was playing for the Spanish U-21's and the spanish national side on a regular basis, and didn't burn out.

Actually Villa barely played for the U21s and Valencia neither did nor were expected to go on long cup campaigns every year, and once again, still was able to rest in the summer!

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Villa's a striker, and Beckham a winger as well, not a play maker like Cesc who is fast turning into a box to box midfielder alongside as it happens Wilshere.

The spanish league players don't work less than their english counterparts, Dani Alves, covers 12-15 km per game in the CL which is much more than the likes of Rooney who is a bloody hard worker and tireless runner.

La Liga is slower paced football but the players still work as hard.

Of course they work hard, I never said they didn't. But imagine that the same work is done at a trot rather than a faster pace. Covering a greater distance is easier when it's not done as quickly week in week out. Barca also don't have the Stokes, Blackburns and Wolves to play against. Massive differences that you've obviously missed.

All in all bad examples, my point was players based in the EPL can't be expected to hit the 60 game a season barrier, not rest for consecutive summers and not at some point for their body to shut down slightly. Cesc still went to summer tournaments and trained as if he was playing domestic football. Still warmed up and made appearances. He followed that up by being injured for many games this season and being out of form in comparison to previous years.

This will repeat for Wilshere, and harm his Arsenal appearances down the line.

It's utterly stupid anyway. He's above the U21 level by a long way now what benefit to him is there in playing this summer?

Maybe if more of our players took the example of the foreign players in the EPL and stopped getting ****faced on a regular basis then maybe their fitness would be up to playing lots of games. Alcohol does untold damage to a players fitness and is the reason why so few European players drink so little if at all.

So it's now alcohol to blame lol? But Cesc for example is Spanish?

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Keep scraping around that barrel fella. All in all it simply could be summed up in the above posts. The players we look for and train are all wrong for the task. They're not good enough when they get older.
 
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