Would you SLAP your child..?

[RDM]

When you have been pushed to your absolute limit by a demanding child, having had little sleep and in difficult circumstances,

Surely this is the worst time to smack a child as you are doing it out of tiredness and frustration more than anything else?

 

[RoachycaL]

Do you honestly think that the reason we have so many chavs etc is because parents are not slapping their kids? Do you think that it is much more likely it is because some parents just don't really know how to bring up kids or just don't care?

One of my ex neighbours was exactly the type of kid you are talking about and his problems werent the fact that he got hit but more the fact that his parents saw slapping him as the only thing they needed to do to be parents. The level of discipline isn't the thing that matters it is a consistant approach and setting of boundries. You don't need to slap a child to do that in most cases.

Why were things so different 30 odd years ago then? Because back then - teachers hit pupils, and parents hit children.

Have you been into a public school recently? Teachers get treat like absolute crap because they aren't taken seriously by their pupils!

 

[easyrider]

Do you honestly think that the reason we have so many chavs etc is because parents are not slapping their kids? Do you think that it is much more likely it is because some parents just don't really know how to bring up kids or just don't care?

One of my ex neighbours was exactly the type of kid you are talking about and his problems werent the fact that he got hit but more the fact that his parents saw slapping him as the only thing they needed to do to be parents. The level of discipline isn't the thing that matters it is a consistant approach and setting of boundries. You don't need to slap a child to do that in most cases.

Agreed.

 

[rmuir]

We're obviously not proud of this, but it has happened and we have always talked about it with the kids afterwards and apologised.

this.

My parents always ALWAYS spoke to us about why they had done what they had and how it had made them feel.

 

[RoachycaL]

I'm not saying that slapping a child is the way to punish someone everytime - but nothing wrong with doing it on occasion and when the time is right.

Some people here are saying it should never be done.

 

[RDM]

Why were things so different 30 odd years ago then? Because back then - teachers hit pupils, and parents hit children.

Have you been into a public school recently? Teachers get treat like absolute crap because they aren't taken seriously by their pupils!

And do you really think that is because teachers can no longer hit children or more to do with the fact that children are not being given a decent upbringing by their parents? It is the whole caussation not equal to correlation thing. Bad parenting generally means bad kids, not the amount of violence given to the child.

 

[mejinks]

if i see a child getting hit i make sure the offending person knows what its like to be hit or slapped by a adult to see how they like being hit when theres nothing they can do about it, its just simply not on, its assault in every way, no matter how you look at it

when did i say i have hit some one for doing that?
i said i would,

So you "make sure the offending person knows what it is like" and then you don't?

Against my advice never to feed the trolls, you are either an attention seeking liar or a deluded keyboard warrior.

If you truely feel that your fathers punishment years ago was brutal and you have issues with other people using corrective punishment on their own children, which is after all their own business, then I suggest you seek professional help as you will only grow up to be either a wannabe psycho imagining inflicting and maybe even progressing to actually harming someone else or a congenital liar.

Analysing your username and writing style it is clear you are trying to make up for deficiencies in your own life as deep down you feel you need to lie or imagine that you are a hero of some sort.

Am I right? Ask yourself. You will of course deny it here because it shows how weak you are, but take time out to analyse what you do and say, maybe some counselling would help. You can ask about this at your GP surgery.

Please do it for your own sake.

 

[Chimerical]

I do agree.

It is very clear that the reason there is scum on the streets nowadays is because they dont get punished severely enough.

I hate to sound like some old dude (I'm not I'm only 18 but I can see sense) but things wernt like this 40 odd years ago because people PUNISHED their children when they did something wrong. They got hit when they were at school. Nowadays if a teacher were to hit a child at school he would be sacked and the parents of the child would be crying about how traumatised their child was.

I see this first hand because some piece of scum drove my head teacher crazy for 5 years until he eventually hit him - ofcourse the head teacher got sacked instantly and that piece of scum student went to my high school and continued making peoples lives a total misery.

Fact of the matter is - if a child gets punished properly and in the right way, from a very early age they begin to learn that their doing something wrong.

Saying that some children react differently is BS. If a child has been brought up, and never hit - only told off, then fair enough they will react differently when hit for the first time but if it had always been that way for them then there's no way that being hit wouldn't work.

Lies. The fact that you think a child has to be punished "from a very early age" is pure nonsense.

Children react differently all the time. You have very little understanding of people in general if you can't imagine some children reacting very adversely to even the most 'minor' punishments.

The kid at your school should have been expelled or dealt with earlier and if it was such an issue, maybe you should have said or done something. Don't use pathetically random anecdotes from school to justify corporal punishment or whatever. My school was no better and I don't think that hitting kids is the answer.

Also, you know nothing about what it was like 40 years ago seeing how you weren't alive then and even those that are old enough to remember; their judgement could be seriously biased and/or incorrect, rose tinted, etc.

I love your scientific analysis of "scum on the streets" and how its linked to punishment of children with, from what I can see, nothing to back these outlandish claims up. Its not "very clear". If its so clear, how come its presented as total conjecture and is essentially just opinionated, ill-informed drivel.

 

[RoachycaL]

And do you really think that is because teachers can no longer hit children or more to do with the fact that children are not being given a decent upbringing by their parents? It is the whole caussation not equal to correlation thing. Bad parenting generally means bad kids, not the amount of violence given to the child.

I never said it was ALL to do with that. But its part of the problem definitely.

Kids spend 75% of their time in the classroom and if in that time they can shout 50% of their teachers down and treat then like crap then what do you think that's going to do?

There are a lot of factors involved - bad parenting is mostly it, and part of that is because kids are allowed to get away with a lot more because they dont get punished properly. They only DO what they do because there isnt a reason not to!

 

[RoachycaL]

Lies. The fact that you think a child has to be punished "from a very early age" is pure nonsense.

Children react differently all the time. You have very little understanding of people in general if you can't imagine some children reacting very adversely to even the most 'minor' punishments.

The kid at your school should have been expelled or dealt with earlier and if it was such an issue, maybe you should have said or done something. Don't use pathetically random anecdotes from school to justify corporal punishment or whatever. My school was no better and I don't think that hitting kids is the answer.

Also, you know nothing about what it was like 40 years ago seeing how you weren't alive then and even those that are old enough to remember; their judgement could be seriously biased and/or incorrect, rose tinted, etc.

I love your scientific analysis of "scum on the streets" and how its linked to punishment of children with, from what I can see, nothing to back these outlandish claims up. Its not "very clear". If its so clear, how come its presented as total conjecture and is essentially just opinionated, ill-informed drivel.

I'm not stating fact - I'm putting across my opinion and if you don't like my opinion because it isn't backed with fact, then ignore it.

My experience is from both of my parents being teachers - and my experience is from being a child when this **** was going on in my school.

And don't you dare tell me *I* should have done something about it! This was after I left and why in gods name should it be up to another student to sort out problems with some scummy chav?

Its once a child gets to a point where he just doesn't care anymore and no teacher can do anything about that. It shouldn't be allowed to get to that state

 

[RDM]

I never said it was ALL to do with that. But its part of the problem definitely.

I don't think it is part of the problem at all. The scandanavian countries where smacking is already banned don't seem to have similar issues.

Kids spend 75% of their time in the classroom and if in that time they can shout 50% of their teachers down and treat then like crap then what do you think that's going to do?

Again, the problem is one step back, poor parenting where the child feels that is acceptable behaviour.

There are a lot of factors involved - bad parenting is mostly it, and part of that is because kids are allowed to get away with a lot more because they dont get punished properly. They only DO what they do because there isnt a reason not to!

Which again has nothing to do with hitting a child. Discipline doesn't have to mean violence.

 

[Chimerical]

I never said it was ALL to do with that. But its part of the problem definitely.

Kids spend 75% of their time in the classroom and if in that time they can shout 50% of their teachers down and treat then like crap then what do you think that's going to do?

There are a lot of factors involved - bad parenting is mostly it, and part of that is because kids are allowed to get away with a lot more because they dont get punished properly. They only DO what they do because there isnt a reason not to!

"Bad parenting" could involve a drunk Dad, the parents getting divorced, maybe there is bullying at school that's not being dealt with or spoken about or maybe there is peer pressure affecting the kid's life. The fact is that there are many reasons why children grow up in a disaffected manor and hitting them solves none of those things.

You deal in such absolutes and such sweepingly generalised terms (and don't pretend that you aren't) that you cannot hope to be anything but totally wrong. Children growing up to be "bad" could have very little to do with overtly lenient parents.

 

[RoachycaL]

I don't think it is part of the problem at all.

Ok well good for you - I do think its part of the problem.

Again, the problem is one step back, poor parenting where the child feels that is acceptable behaviour.

I already said I agree with you.

 

[easyrider]

Which again has nothing to do with hitting a child. Discipline doesn't have to mean violence.

Agree

I discipline my kids all the time.

I have never once hit them.

I have never once hit my dog but he knows when he's done something wrong.

He even looks sheepish when he farts.

 

[Morba]

I love it how virdi starts threads but rarely actually contributes to them!

 

[RoachycaL]

"Bad parenting" could involve a drunk Dad, the parents getting divorced, maybe there is bullying at school that's not being dealt with or spoken about or maybe there is peer pressure affecting the kid's life. The fact is that there are many reasons why children grow up in a disaffected manor and hitting them solves none of those things.

What are you getting at here?

Telling me I'm dealing in such absolutes - however I'm apparently definitely wrong? How about you state you're opinion instead of just putting a downer on mine?

 

[RDM]

Ok well good for you - I do think its part of the problem.

So why aren't nations that have banned smacking by teachers and parents not overrun by chavs disrupting every classroom? We have only banned smacking by teachers after all.

 

[Chimerical]

I'm not stating fact - I'm putting across my opinion and if you don't like my opinion because it isn't backed with fact, then ignore it.

My experience is from both of my parents being teachers - and my experience is from being a child when this **** was going on in my school.

And don't you dare tell me *I* should have done something about it! This was after I left and why in gods name should it be up to another student to sort out problems with some scummy chav?

Its once a child gets to a point where he just doesn't care anymore and no teacher can do anything about that. It shouldn't be allowed to get to that state

Well, the fact is you didn't do anything about it and you're acting like its not your business to deal with so don't come on an internet forum and moan about it. You could have told your headmaster or someone about the problem and avoided direct confrontation. But hey, you just want someone else to beat the kid so you don't have to.

 

[RoachycaL]

So why aren't nations that have banned smacking by teachers and parents not overrun by chavs disrupting every classroom? We have only banned smacking by teachers after all.

I don't understand what more you want mate, I agree with you - but one slight difference in opinion and you're picking up on it.

I think because things have been allowed to get into such a bad state, we have to do things different from other countries - TO SET IT STRAIGHT, then continue like they do.

It clearly isn't working at the moment is it? Can you agree with me on that?

 

[RoachycaL]

Well, the fact is you didn't do anything about it and you're acting like its not your business to deal with so don't come on an internet forum and moan about it. You could have told your headmaster or someone about the problem and avoided direct confrontation. But hey, you just want someone else to beat the kid so you don't have to.

Hey how about reading my post?

I said I had left the school by then. I was told by my father as he is friends with the headteacher - it was a big blow to our family when this guy got sacked because he was great at his job.

So you think I should be going and beating this kid up? Tell me what you would do in that situation because Id love to hear it.

Or you could just continue slating me and not expressing you're opinion...