Probably because the "one slight difference" is actually the whole point of this thread. Slapping, or not slapping a child. Hence concentrating on that one slight difference.
Would you SLAP your child..?
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Probably because the "one slight difference" is actually the whole point of this thread. Slapping, or not slapping a child. Hence concentrating on that one slight difference.
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My opinion is that some children have enough to deal with in their home lives without having to put up with holier-than-thou teachers who should have the right to hit them in your eyes.
Corporal punishment is unfair and unjust. If one kid is bullying another school pupil and they both get into a fight, they'll both get caned and both will be beaten.
Is that justice? Is that fair? No, because hitting them doesn't deal with the situation in context, it's just another one-size-fits-all so-called solution.
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The thread is going off at a tangent now.
There is definitely a lack of disipline in schools compared to years ago. That is a fact i would say? Whether it is down to teachers not being able to belt the kids or not is another matter. When i was in school we had teachers who could silence a class just by walking into it where others could have been given a gun and probably wouldnt be able to shut the kids up. While the belt may help it should be a deterrant rather than the the norm. My dad and grandparents had loads of stories of psycho teachers who took delight in dishing out the belt on a daily basis for no good reason. That would never be tolerated today although it did no lasting damage to any of them in the end as far as i know!
IMO it is perfectly fine to smack you child. I was smacked when i was wee when my behaviour warented it. The reality is that the THREAT of the smack was enough to pull me into line so in actual fact i was very very rarely hit. Again it was a deterent. The idea that sitting down with your child and explaining where they went wrong and deciding on a suitable punishment is all well and good but if they think they might get a smack it might stop them from doing it in the first place. Thats the way it worked for me. It might not work for everyone but i would say i had a fantastic upbringing and on the rare occassions i was hit i fully deserved it.
These experiences are totally different to child abuse and kids who get battered every day of life. That is wrong of course but i dont believe the odd smack should be taken away from a parents range of punishments just because there are bad people out there who abuse their children.
There is definitely a lack of disipline in schools compared to years ago. That is a fact i would say? Whether it is down to teachers not being able to belt the kids or not is another matter. When i was in school we had teachers who could silence a class just by walking into it where others could have been given a gun and probably wouldnt be able to shut the kids up. While the belt may help it should be a deterrant rather than the the norm. My dad and grandparents had loads of stories of psycho teachers who took delight in dishing out the belt on a daily basis for no good reason. That would never be tolerated today although it did no lasting damage to any of them in the end as far as i know!
IMO it is perfectly fine to smack you child. I was smacked when i was wee when my behaviour warented it. The reality is that the THREAT of the smack was enough to pull me into line so in actual fact i was very very rarely hit. Again it was a deterent. The idea that sitting down with your child and explaining where they went wrong and deciding on a suitable punishment is all well and good but if they think they might get a smack it might stop them from doing it in the first place. Thats the way it worked for me. It might not work for everyone but i would say i had a fantastic upbringing and on the rare occassions i was hit i fully deserved it.
These experiences are totally different to child abuse and kids who get battered every day of life. That is wrong of course but i dont believe the odd smack should be taken away from a parents range of punishments just because there are bad people out there who abuse their children.
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So what's the solution? Because in my eyes - and a lot of peoples, things arent going very well in schools at the moment. Teachers getting sacked for touching students.
I'd give my children a slap in a public place if I saw it necessary. No it's not assault.
From what I can make it out it sounds like you are saying that if you witnessed me doing this in public you would attempt to walk up to me and slap me on my butt cheek? Are you a commedian, slightly insane, homosexual or just posting for a reaction? Either way it's a bit yawn yawn for me I'm afraid. You'd really go up to a Mum in Asda and slap her for dealing with her own children? You see that IS assault. You should try looking it up.
Put the keyboard away now please.
Are you inviting people to come down to Epsom and slap our own children for no reason in view of yourself? Go you...well thought out plan that. I'm just down the road I'll come down now with my best keyboard.
Myself and my brothers/sisters were slapped when we had done wrong as children. I don't recall any of us ever being in any fights or violent in anyway and it taught us good lessons. Nobody is talking about abusing children. I was not abused because I was slapped. I am not scarred for life having been slapped. I learnt my lessons from being slapped and never had any long lasting injuries from a quick or even hard slap.
It's too much modern day protection and PC nonsense for porrly behaved children imo. Sometimes words are not quick or effective enough in certain situations with certain children.
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I seen plenty of similar situations at school of student antagonising teachers. The teachers never actually resorted to hitting the children but to be honest, it sounds like the guy that did it in your case should have done something himself before then. If he thought is only solution was to whack the kid then he had serious problems already and was already thinking irrationally.
No you shouldn't beat the kid up but your teacher, before he hit the kid, could have done something else instead. You can't use that example to justify hitting children.
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Probably because the "one slight difference" is actually the whole point of this thread. Slapping, or not slapping a child. Hence concentrating on that one slight difference.
Ok, fair enough mate.
I think Ive put myself in the wrong light - I dont go around slapping children or saying its a great idea.
If teachers were allowed to SLAP children, it wouldn't be good. But from my understanding of listening to my parents that's never been the case. Back then it was a caning or a belt across the arse am I right? Id say its very different to slapping someone.
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No, i'd punch it.
In all seriousness though I wouldn't hit my child at all, I think it's disgusting.
In all seriousness though I wouldn't hit my child at all, I think it's disgusting.
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Ok well its safe to say you don't know the half of it then
You're making presumptions on what I've said - fair enough.I wont derail the thread anymore but Its safe to say that what you're suggesting couldn't have been done in this case. I was just using it as an example.
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I hated it when teachers touched me, even in a "friendly" manner.
Don't ****ing do it. Things aren't going well in schools for many reasons; one being that the children are treated like infants and not shown much grown-up respect by the teachers in my mind.
Also, issues like bullying are not adequately dealt with at all and schools are far to focused on the academic side of education and don't teach much practical stuff. I could list quite a few issues with school and literally none of them can be fixed by corporal punishment and I disagree with violence of that sort in principal anyway.
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Cant really think of any scenario when i would hurt any of my children TBH
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That's sad it really is. Why do you think you feel that way? Honestly its crazy - someone putting a hand on you're shoulder suddenly suggests that their going to pull you into their cupboard. Its crazy because I didn't like it either - I felt uneasy, but like I said It never used to be like that did it?
In my opinion, we feel that way because physical contact is so frowned upon.
To be honest I would be profoundly uncomfortable giving someone else the right to inflict pain upon my child in what ever manner.
In the 1950's when my dad was at school.
he left without being able to read and write. Failed his 11+
he then got a job,got a degree and retired at 50.
The schooling system is better now than its always been.
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Because I didn't want some 50 year old putting their hands on me. Its awkward and I dislike bodily contact in general with anyone.
Teacher's are supposed to be professionals in a job. I see no need for them to touch children even in the most innocent of examples.
On an unrelated note, you could argue that it was easier for teachers to be paedophilles decades ago. People are admittedly too aware of stuff like that nowadays and too reactionary but it's society in general that acts like that.
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It most likely is better, much better in fact but its still woefully lacking in many areas.
Unfortunately I can't see a possible future Conservative government improving the social issues in schools at all so it looks like they're stuck as they are currently.
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That's basically saying teachers are there to teach - leave the room and make no other contact with a child. No chatting, no friendliness. Typical modern day view mate. I looked up to my teachers when I was in school - sure I'm in a different situation because my parents are both teachers but I see teachers as just normal everyday people. I enjoyed some lessons more than others because of the teachers, they brought lessons to life sometimes and the banter between people in my class and the teacher was awesome and will never be forgotten in some cases.
I honestly don't see what's wrong with a teacher putting a hand on someone's shoulder in a friendly manner. Its pathetic that it gets perceived in the wrong way
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