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Wow, Nvidia have banned Hardware Unboxed from receiving review samples...

Grim5 said:
Gamers Nexus dedicated well over 10% of their video to RT and DLSS compare to HU's 1%

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Great GN gave 10% HWU gave a whole video which was 20mins. That would make their review 36% total of their full 55 minutes if you look at it thY way.

There is zero issue with splitting out the videos to more sizable videos and also means they are headlined so people whom want raytracing can watch that and others that don't can't skip it all.

If you going to make a point at least use all the information to actually be factually correct rather than cherry picking what you want.
 
Doesnt make sense for nvidia no kick off at hardware unboxed since they did a whole video on RT. Is it that they didnt just do the RT as a whole in the initial video? Nvidias banhammer does seem unjustified.
 
I believe in ray tracing, but I do not believe in Nvidia's RTX 3000-series GPUs
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Yesterday I watched one of the most bizarre, yet strangely captivating, live-streams on YouTube. I bore witness to an unfolding drama involving a couple of famous and dearly beloved content creators on the aforementioned video-hosting platform, namely Linus Sebastian of Linus Tech Tips fame and Hardware Unboxed’s Steven Walton.
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I do not believe is that Nvidia’s RTX 3000-series GPUs will be a meaningful part of that future, and I have a few reasons to believe that.

The first one has to do with the fact that my very own RTX 2060 (mobile) is simply not capable of using any ray-tracing effects in any modern title. Yes, technically, I can turn RTX on, but practically I cannot, and that is a very important distinction to consider. So, technically, yes, you will be able to switch real-time ray tracing on in the future RTX titles with a 3000-series card, but in practice that might result in unplayable frames or severely compromised visuals due to low resolutions, at which playable frames with RTX on can be achieved. So, practically, no, in all likelihood you will not be able to enjoy real-time ray tracing in future titles, because of practical considerations such as super low frame rates and/or resolutions. Granted, this will still be an RTX experience, but like Cyberpunk 2077 on a base PS4, it will not be a truly enjoyable one.


My second reason has to do with the two latest ray tracing-enabled titles: CoD: Black Ops Cold War and Dirt 5. Both of these have rather underwhelming ray tracing implementations. Now, the latter game is an AMD-sponsored title, which is why I can excuse the underwhelming RTX effects, but CoD: Black Ops Cold War is not and it tries to fully embrace RTX, with underwhelming results, unfortunately. This gives me pause, especially because there are still only four RTX titles that I have personally played that seem to offer good RTX implementations. These are the following: Control, Cyberpunk 2077, Battlefield 5 and Watch Dogs: Legion. But what all of these titles have in common is that all of them tank the frame rates with RTX on, while less demanding RTX titles provide only a modest visual uplift. This is why certain individuals might feel underwhelmed by what ray tracing has to offer.

And the third reason why I have very little faith in the RTX 3000-series GPUs is that they provide only very modest efficiency gains in RTX workloads when compared to the RTX 2000-series GPUs. There was no revelatory leap in efficiency between the RTX 3000-series cards and the RTX 2000-series GPUs, which is a bit concerning, given the fact that the high-end 3000-series card are drawing more than 300 watts of power.
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https://www.notebookcheck.net/I-bel...n-Nvidia-s-RTX-3000-series-GPUs.509180.0.html

And the scandal continues.
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Wow what a truly spectacular bit of bad PR - Linus's video just shreds them in particular. I'd be amazed if the head PR guy ever works in the industry again -the original e-mail has his name to it as well - it's basically a professional suicide note.
 
Cyber-Mav said:
Doesnt make sense for nvidia no kick off at hardware unboxed since they did a whole video on RT. Is it that they didnt just do the RT as a whole in the initial video? Nvidias banhammer does seem unjustified.
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If you watch Linus on the Wan show toward the end of his rant they actually show a shot of the Nvidia webpage that uses Hardware Unboxed's favourable comments on RTX as a marketing point, they accuse him of "not" covering it then use his "actual" coverage as marketing material - totally bizarre.
 
Cyber-Mav said:
if its covered then why did nvidia complain about it? as mentioned by Grim5 35 minute video and 20 seconds worth of RT discussion. and you call that covered?
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Grim has major Nvidia bias
Cyber-Mav said:
Doesnt make sense for nvidia no kick off at hardware unboxed since they did a whole video on RT. Is it that they didnt just do the RT as a whole in the initial video? Nvidias banhammer does seem unjustified.
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It makes sense because a company wants to be seen in the best light possible and especially when their competitor is making ground. I dont know if you sign NDAs and sponsorship agreements like I do, but they come with a whole ream of what you can and can't say. One of mine for example, expressly forbids me for painting this company in a bad light. (Luckily for me, I have nothing bad to say about them so far, and if I did I would reconsider our agreement).

The major issue is, Nvidia seem to think they they are paying for a good review. They didnt get a glowing one, so they are withdrawing their payment (hardware).
 
Jlang said:
Wow what a truly spectacular bit of bad PR - Linus's video just shreds them in particular. I'd be amazed if the head PR guy ever works in the industry again -the original e-mail has his name to it as well - it's basically a professional suicide note.
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There's no such thing as bad publicity?

Not sure I believe that, but here we are in a 40+ page thread talking about nVidia GPUs. I guess that's something :p

And none of the actors in this piece are actually saying the RTX cards are bad, so.... hurrah for free publicity, I guess.
 
Cyber-Mav said:
Doesnt make sense for nvidia no kick off at hardware unboxed since they did a whole video on RT. Is it that they didnt just do the RT as a whole in the initial video? Nvidias banhammer does seem unjustified.
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Personally I think nvidia were just overly salty after the 3060ti vid and some follow up tweets.

 
I'll just add a word of support to the boys at Hardware Unboxed.

Their reviews and Q&As are brilliant; Accessable, no nonsense, and grounded, with just the right amount of technical information for buyers, without getting into the weeds.

Almost every component in my new build I subjected to their general buying advice, and my 3080 selection and purchase directly based on their product reviews.

I'm thoroughly disappointed, if not surprised, by Nvidia, and hope they reach out to Steve and restore his early access to review samples.
 
Cyber-Mav said:
This is where the personal opinions of reviewers cause issues. Just because the reviewer doesnt like rtx on doesnt mean everyone wont like it so the reviewer slates the tech.
Its just as bad as someone reviewing a tesla and doesnt like the autopilot and slates it in a review where other consumers would like the feature.
Guess from now on i will skip all these reviews and just look at the numbers unless they become gimped by reviewers too.

I should have expected this mega bias from all reviewers since they all loved cyberpunk but in my actual experience i found it to be a buggy mess.

Good on nvidia for pointing out these corrupt reviewers who only want the masses to believe what they say.
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Corrupt reviewers? ***insulting comments removed*** Nvidia is saying toe the line with your reviews or we don't let you review our cards. At Least not from us... for now.
Yet Hardware unboxed is corrupt for only giving RT the time it deserves? Get a grip, get educated and refrain from commenting on things you have little knowledge of.
 
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r7slayer said:
Corrupt reviewers? ***insulting comments removed*** Nvidia is saying toe the line with your reviews or we don't let you review our cards. At Least not from us... for now.
Yet Hardware unboxed is corrupt for only giving RT the time it deserves? Get a grip, get educated and refrain from commenting on things you have little knowledge of.
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Maybe you should refrain from quoting a post without reading the entire thread.
Hardware unboxed did do follow up RT video so still its not known specifically what nvidia is emailing them in regards to which specific video. Yes the main vid linked above only had a few seconds of RT coverage but there was a separate vid on RT doing the coverage so on that basis nvidia shouldn't have anything to complain about.
Iv seen both the videos and cant work out why nvidia responded as such other than someone at nvidia may have not seen the followup RT vid.
Or its entirely something else nvidia is referring to.
 
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Cyber-Mav said:
Because no one has given a concrete reason for me to change my mind.
Its my opinion so it matters to me. If a company gives a reviewer a product for free to review and show all its capabilities but the reviewer just picks raster performance and ignores the other features claiming that no one is interested in them then yea i will stick to my opinion.
If reviewer buys the hardware with their own hard earned then they can do whatever they like in the review and not cry afterwards that they dont get any more freebees.
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They do test DLSS and Ray Tracing performance. They just spend less time on it because it is not prime time. Maybe if you watched their content (or read it at Techspot) you would actually see what they put into their reviews and have an informed opinion rather than holding an opinion and actively refusing to checkout the content.

Techspot 3080 Review.

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DLSS / Ray Tracing
We plan to follow up with a more detailed analysis of DLSS and ray tracing on Ampere on a dedicated article, but for the time being, here’s a quick look at both in Wolfenstein Youngblood.
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Follow up article.

There was no ray tracing content or DLSS content in their 3070 Review and called it 'the new $500 king' anyway because it matches the 2080Ti.

They did test DLSS/RT in the 3060Ti Review where just like with the in depth 3080 article they found that it did about as well at RT/DLSS as it does at raster relative to its 2xxx performance counterpart which for the 3060Ti is the 2080S.

In the 6800 Review they did test Ray tracing but in the summary they had this to say.

As good as the RTX 3070 performance is, we feel that even for gaming at 1440p, that 8GB VRAM buffer is going to be less than ideal in the not so distant future. It’s perfectly acceptable on mainstream bound $300 (or cheaper) cards, but for $500, you could do a little better.

For an extra $80, there's now the option of the Radeon RX 6800 which packs twice as much VRAM. Despite costing 16% more, the Radeon is already offering gamers around 16% more performance on average. Of the 18 games we tested, there wasn't a single instance where the 3070 was faster than the 6800, which is more definitive than the 6800 XT vs. RTX 3080 comparison.

As noted in our review of the 6800 XT, Nvidia does offer an edge with Ampere GPUs in the form of more mature ray tracing support and DLSS 2.0, both of which you may or may not take advantage of, depending on the games you play and the small (but growing) list of titles supported.

Meanwhile, the potential advantages of the RX 6800 includes the much bigger VRAM buffer that will prove beneficial for all games that require more than 8GB of VRAM (e.g. Doom Eternal), while SAM is a neat feature that boosts performance, though limiting the feature to Ryzen 5000 owners is not too cool.
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Basically giving people facts. 3070 might have a memory limit at some point but it has DLSS which is good tech. 6800 has more Vram, is a bit faster, costs a bit more but has no DLSS at the moment. Choose based on the features you want more.

Your opinion is unsupported on the whole and the only review you can point at out of all their FE Ampere reviews that totally omits RT/DLSS is the 3070 which they highly praised anyway. Funnily enough though in CyberPunk the 3070 does fall behind the 2080Ti in RT and DLSS at 1440p but stays ahead at 1080p so perhaps with RT on @ 1440p the 8GB VRAM is hurting the 3070. TechPowerUp found that with RT @ 1440p the game was using 7.93GB of VRAM so right on the 8GB limit of the 3070. Even in the RT future @ 1440p with or without DLSS to upscale to 4k it looks as though the 3070 just won't be viable. 1080p also has bad news because that used 7.5GB of VRAM with RT on so it won't be long before even 1080P + RT exceeds the VRAM of the 3070 and DLSS won't save you from VRAM limits.

EDIT: I forgot the 3090. They did not test DLSS/RT with the 3090 either.
 
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Jlang said:
Wow what a truly spectacular bit of bad PR - Linus's video just shreds them in particular. I'd be amazed if the head PR guy ever works in the industry again -the original e-mail has his name to it as well - it's basically a professional suicide note.
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Let's not kid ourselves, Jen being a control freak would have rubber stamped that email before it went out. Del Rizzo is just the frontman here. People have been hitting Del Rizzo s Twitter account telling him he's going to get fired. I can't see Nvidia firing him more like they will pay him off and he will leave.

Ironic, Del Rizzo was hired to mange Nvidia's PR but ended up being the one headling a PR disaster.
 
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