X1900XT now or wait for DirectX10

t31os · 18 Aug 2006 at 10:10

easyrider said:
Thats funny as I can't play games maxed out with a 7900 GTX and a conroe @ 3.8ghz at 1600x 1200

Really, wow...... defo something wrong there.

And an x1900 is not superbly faster then an x1800, though it is still a better card, just not by a huge margin.

Also buying the more expensive card now is wasting money if the higher res is not going to be used, hardware value drops all the time, so its wasted money, not money well spent.

You won't find anything else with the same performance as the x1800 for that price.

easyrider · 18 Aug 2006 at 10:15

helpimcrap said:
you will lose less money on an X1800 than an X1900 simply because the X1800 is so cheap it has less to lose.

eh?

How do you work that out..

A card that cost's 150 that no one wants second hand?

Or a card that costs 200 that people want second hand.

A second hand x1800 will fetch what?

when someone can get a new a new x1900 for 200.

Metallifux · 18 Aug 2006 at 10:18

easyrider said:
eh?

How do you work that out..

A card that cost's 150 that no one wants second hand?

Or a card that costs 200 that people want second hand.

A second hand x1800 will fetch what?

when someone can get a new a new x1900 for 200.

I think what he was trying to say is, nobody will want an X1900 either as everybody will want DX10.

easyrider · 18 Aug 2006 at 10:24

Metallifux said:
I think what he was trying to say is, nobody will want an X1900 either as everybody will want DX10.

An x1900 will still be a desirable card in 6 months.

The x1800 won't.

Metallifux · 18 Aug 2006 at 10:29

easyrider said:
An x1900 will still be a desirable card in 6 months.

The x1800 won't.

I admire your powers of prognostication.

t31os · 18 Aug 2006 at 10:35

Where do you get your info from?...... oh wait or is it all just assumption?....

You've said lots in this thread, but shown little to nothing to back it up, no links, no sources.

Oh and yeah.... damn i did forget, everyone here sells on their hardware secondhand, how dumb of me. *saracasm* Spend less and you won't need to flog of your hardware secondhand.

You don't have any real legit reasons to back what you say, or at least no one seems to of spotted one so far, i wonder why that is :rolleyes:

Feel free to prove me wrong, but if you want to do so, then do it properly, with sources, url's or facts, not assumptions.

easyrider · 18 Aug 2006 at 10:47

t31os said:
Where do you get your info from?...... oh wait or is it all just assumption?....

You've said lots in this thread, but shown little to nothing to back it up, no links, no sources.

Oh and yeah.... damn i did forget, everyone here sells on their hardware secondhand, how dumb of me. *saracasm* Spend less and you won't need to flog of your hardware secondhand.

You don't have any real legit reasons to back what you say, or at least no one seems to of spotted one so far, i wonder why that is

Feel free to prove me wrong, but if you want to do so, then do it properly, with sources, url's or facts, not assumptions.

You don't need links to understand that older hardware commands less in the secondhand market.

All I was saying that 50 quid more gets you a faster card that will lose less when one comes to upgrade to DX 10.

Whats hard not to understand about that.

t31os · 18 Aug 2006 at 10:56

Lose less based on assumption of re-sale.

So as i said, assumption.

Metallifux · 18 Aug 2006 at 10:56

easyrider said:
You don't need links to understand that older hardware commands less in the secondhand market.

All I was saying that 50 quid more gets you a faster card that will lose less when one comes to upgrade to DX 10.

Whats hard not to understand about that.

Going by that example, you still aren't going to make back your £50 when you sell the card on are you? However having bought a card for £50 less, I have saved the full £50.

LoadsaMoney · 18 Aug 2006 at 11:48

Domo said:
With regards to the OP - when DX10 cards arrive my concern is the used DX9 market will be saturated and we will struggle selling cards we're spending £200+ on now. Who will want a DX9 card in 6-12 months?

Having said that it is very tempting - especially the deal on the X1900XT-X. I have to agree with easyrider on his points too. What's £50 when you get a much better card?

Well who wants an AGP card now, they are going for shed-loads on E-Bay, and there selling in droves, x1800 will still sell.

Why should he waste the extra £50 when he only plays at 1280x1024 as he said, and an x1800 copes at that res fine, as every man and his dog says.

If your all moaning about an extra £50, then why have you all not got quad SLi, x1900 Xfire etc... why did you buy single x1900's, GTX's, when quad SLi, Xfire will run your games faster than your single card.

easyrider · 18 Aug 2006 at 11:51

LoadsaMoney said:
Well who wants an AGP card now, they are going for shed-loads on E-Bay, and there selling in droves, x1800 will still sell.

Because its dead technology.

Just like the socket A etc...

X1800 will sell but for peanuts

LoadsaMoney · 18 Aug 2006 at 11:57

Doesn't matter the x1900 will do the same.

easyrider · 18 Aug 2006 at 11:58

LoadsaMoney said:
Doesn't matter the x1900 will do the same.

Won't ! A millions times recurring!

LoadsaMoney · 18 Aug 2006 at 12:02

It will, x1800 came out at what £400 give or take a few, its now £150, your trying to say that the x1900 which came out at £400 give or take a few, thats now £200 already .... you see the similarity.

Metallifux · 18 Aug 2006 at 12:08

easyrider said:
Won't ! A millions times recurring!

LOL

I think somebody is now on the wind up, rather than constructive argument.

Hugest_UK · 18 Aug 2006 at 14:32

Easyrider,

1800 xt beats an x1900 xt? hmm.....lol

Maybe you should take a look at this link to see benchmarks of the far faster card in action your preaching on about:

Link:http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/sapphire_radeon_x1900_gt/

*note this review of the X1900GT benches a X1900GT, X1900XT,7900GT and X1800XT 512MB against each other in several top games.

Thats funny as I can't play games maxed out with a 7900 GTX and a conroe @ 3.8ghz at 1600x 1200

Where did i mention 1600 x 1200 ?? We were talking about lower resolutions. Which the original poster will be running at

I'm sorry and with all due respect, I want more speed, x1800 is an old card and the fact that you make it known that yours is a 512mb model when all see this as futile, and makes no difference, does not make your statement any more valid than mine.

So you should give me respect ive been overclocking for years

and 512MB is not futile for future use their are already several games based on the DOOM 3 engine that have better textures using the 512MB card running this on a 256MB results in jerky framerates. This was my reason for going for the 512MB version.

Your card is slow,Just like a my 2.8ghz opty 170 dual core last system that conroe replaced.

As for that statement ill let 90% of the members on this forum decide for themsleves if they think a dual core opty system @ 2.8Ghz is slow.

Mate in all seriousness this isnt a personal pop or anything lol its just giving our opinions to the original poster

Which i think we have done lol and it doesnt matter now anyway as hes bought the card!

Cheers,
Hugest

LoadsaMoney · 18 Aug 2006 at 14:38

I should point out that that review linked to is the x1900 GT, which is slower than the x1800 XT, we are talking about the x1900 XT, which is faster, but at 1280x1024 not by much, if using higher resolutions then yes x1900 XT would be the one to get as the gap grows the higher the resolution.

Scoobie Dave · 18 Aug 2006 at 14:39

LoadsaMoney said:
Id get an x1900 XT now, as then you can miss out the R600/G80 and get the next lot of faster cards when theres actually something using DX10, and its worth having, which is probs about a year away or longer yet, and a years a long time in graphcs cards, a load will have come and gone by then.

Took the words from my mouth. . .

melchy · 18 Aug 2006 at 14:40

Hugest_UK, just to point out you have linked to an X1900GT which is somewhat crippled. I have to agree though that in most benchmarks i've seen the 1900XT and XT-X arent massively faster than the 1800XT and like you i've seen examples where the X1800XT beats the X1900XT although i suspect that may be due to an early driver revision supporting the X1900.

I'll just add that a X1800XT 512Mb drives games just fine on my 20" Widescreen.

However given that the OP was going to be purchasing a new card, i personally would have spent the additional money to get the X1900XT or indeed a X1900XT-X as they are a cracking price in the week only at the moment. That being said £50 is more to some than others and could be put to other uses such as beer

As others have said though the X1800XT 256Mb will cope no problems at all at 1280 x 1024.

Hugest_UK · 18 Aug 2006 at 14:41

Loadsamoney and Melchy,

Thanks guys but im not stupid honest lol If you look at the benchies they they benched a 1800XT,1900XT,1900GT and a 7900GT against each other. Have ammended the original post make it clearer

Cheers,
Hugest