X360 or PS3?

SK07 · 2 Jul 2007 at 17:42

Stellios said:
*Snip*

Cheers for that detailed review.

Really from what I've gathered the PS3 is the one to have months down the line, at this current period of time it's the 360. The PS3 has a larger amount of capabilities that most of which aren't currently around much but are the future.

Margaret · 2 Jul 2007 at 17:48

SK07 said:
Really from what I've gathered the PS3 is the one to have months down the line, at this current period of time it's the 360. The PS3 has a larger amount of capabilities that most of which aren't currently around much but are the future.

It's not really the one to have months down the line that can be said for both machines.

Both will have their fair share of decent games.

The only thing PS3 has over 360 capability wise is Blu-Ray out of the box.

JBeck · 2 Jul 2007 at 18:00

Warbie said:
This really is on a non issue that has been blown all out of proportion. Some games on the 360 may need to appear on more than one disk - whoopdeedoo.

Actually it will become a issue. For example, Gears Of War constantly streams textures of the disc as you play. If they had more space available on the disc then they could increase the amount of and quality. Another issue is if ALL 360's had a hdd as standard then developers could take this into account and have the textures stored/streamed from it. With PS3 they will be able to do this, with 360 they can't, it all comes from the disc.

NokkonWud · 2 Jul 2007 at 18:02

JBeck said:
Actually it will become a issue. For example, Gears Of War constantly streams textures of the disc as you play. If they had more space available on the disc then they could increase the amount of and quality. Another issue is if ALL 360's had a hdd as standard then developers could take this into account and have the textures stored/streamed from it. With PS3 they will be able to do this, with 360 they can't, it all comes from the disc.

You make texture streaming sound like a bad thing, it's actually a very good thing that more games could do with.

Nanoman · 2 Jul 2007 at 18:14

If blu-ray becomes the standard surely devs arent gonna be wanting to mess around with rare phased out hd-dvd hardware aswell. Thus leaving 360 with 9gb dvd-dl games? Doom 1 anyone??

Margaret · 2 Jul 2007 at 18:30

Nanoman said:
If blu-ray becomes the standard surely devs arent gonna be wanting to mess around with rare phased out hd-dvd hardware aswell. Thus leaving 360 with 9gb dvd-dl games? Doom 1 anyone??

Blu-Ray MIGHT become standard for movies in a few years but it is not going to become standard for consoles this gen.

Why would Devs alienate the 360 when it has a bigger userbase?

The next PS will be Blu-Ray and Xbox HD-DVD I suppose.

sc(+)pe · 2 Jul 2007 at 18:30

Nanoman said:
If blu-ray becomes the standard surely devs arent gonna be wanting to mess around with rare phased out hd-dvd hardware aswell. Thus leaving 360 with 9gb dvd-dl games? Doom 1 anyone??

Clueless.

JBeck · 2 Jul 2007 at 18:36

NokkonWud said:
You make texture streaming sound like a bad thing, it's actually a very good thing that more games could do with.

No I don't make it sound bad at all, on the contrary I stated that with the PS3 you have the potential for bigger and better things as far as texture streaming goes. GOW has some impressive visuals thanks to texture streaming. Imagine what Epic could do if they had a whole Blu-Ray disc to play with or a garaunteed amount of hdd space, no more disc read errors, the bliss of it.

Kreeeee · 2 Jul 2007 at 18:48

JBeck said:
No I don't make it sound bad at all, on the contrary I stated that with the PS3 you have the potential for bigger and better things as far as texture streaming goes. GOW has some impressive visuals thanks to texture streaming. Imagine what Epic could do if they had a whole Blu-Ray disc to play with or a garaunteed amount of hdd space, no more disc read errors, the bliss of it.

Blue ray wouldn't have had any effect. Dedicated Hard Drive space may have done though.

Joebob · 2 Jul 2007 at 19:33

Jihad said:
PS3 can't be faulted for the build quality it's very well made the front flap hiding the card reader feel very solid as does the rest of the machine.
But then again I don't see anything wrong with my 360' build quality either, both are very solid and feel well made.

It's a hefty machine though the PS3 and the slick looks will be something you're proud to look at.

I do like the no-tray drive that's ace.

Jihad saying something positive about the PS3 :confused:

Margaret · 2 Jul 2007 at 19:38

NokkonWud · 2 Jul 2007 at 20:23

JBeck said:
No I don't make it sound bad at all, on the contrary I stated that with the PS3 you have the potential for bigger and better things as far as texture streaming goes. GOW has some impressive visuals thanks to texture streaming. Imagine what Epic could do if they had a whole Blu-Ray disc to play with or a garaunteed amount of hdd space, no more disc read errors, the bliss of it.

Whilst in theory what you say is true, blu-ray does allow for more, however in practice it isn't true. Textures are THE single most memory demanding things as far as visuals go, the more textures the harder the system works to draw them, especially when you have additional maps for each texture (specular, bump, normal, parallax etc..).

Holding more and showing more are 2 different things, current generation systems are now showing how difficult that is with lower frame-rates that are not only (in general) running at 30fps but often enough not being constant.

Jonners · 2 Jul 2007 at 20:30

JBeck · 2 Jul 2007 at 23:09

I do agree with what you're saying about streaming textures but with PS3 it would be nice to have the option to stream the textures from the hdd, faster, more reliable and no turbo jet fighter taking off in your disc tray. There must be some use to Blu-Ray here too, what about for example more maps, bigger maps? Game modes extra content? I don't know im guessing here, but im sure in the future Blu-Ray having the extra capacity will come into play.

NokkonWud · 2 Jul 2007 at 23:13

These are the reasons Microsoft have remained so confident with the format DVD9 when they continually say they don't need HD-DVD. Whilst more space could be utilised in-game, the amount they could use is a lot closer to 9gb than 50gb.

Blu-Ray is useful for additional content, extra modes, videos, music, that kind of stuff.

Of course more space would be better, that goes without saying, it's all just about what is available to use to the systems capabilities. DVD9 will not be used on either console for the next generation.

AWPC · 3 Jul 2007 at 01:22

Jihad said:
Man RFOM doesn't show the PS3 is capable at all the graphics are pretty naff tbh.

Dude have you completed all 30 or so levels as the more you play it the more fantastic it gets. Some of the later levels contain some of the most amazing looking sci-fi themed FPS levels ever created. Overall it is very well coded and an excellent launch title. Loading times are short as well which considering the high rez texture quality is even more impressive as the PS3 lacks ram.

thedoc46 · 3 Jul 2007 at 02:17

Jihad said:
Not as frequent as the 360 red lights but quite a few have broken down here and there.

A friend who works at GAME had more PS3's being returned than 360's on some weeks. (Only 1 or 2)

Don't put these two in the same league as each other. The PS3 is in a different ball park compared to the shoddily built 360 ! The only thing that is well built on the 360 is the controller. The rest is utter crap. The ps3 on the other hand is well built throughout. Yeah so there's more games on the 360, but having to wear ear muffs to drown out the spin noise then only to tear them off afterwards cos your room has just jumped up 100degrees making you sweat like a Muslim in Paddington Police Station. All the above makes me choose the PS3 over the 360. Plus I've had 4 360's go wrong on me, whereas i've had ZERO problems with my PS3.

Stellios · 3 Jul 2007 at 02:27

thedoc46 said:
Don't put these two in the same league as each other. The PS3 is in a different ball park compared to the shoddily built 360 ! The only thing that is well built on the 360 is the controller. The rest is utter crap. The ps3 on the other hand is well built throughout.

To be honest the 360 controller feels more solidly built than the PS3 one IMO.

Yeah so there's more games on the 360, but having to wear ear muffs to drown out the spin noise then only to tear them off afterwards cos your room has just jumped up 100degrees making you sweat like a Muslim in Paddington Police Station. All the above makes me choose the PS3 over the 360.

The noise issue is one i dont understand people crying about. Does everyone play on their 360s with the sound muted or something, or with their 360s attached to their heads. Turn the sound on and it overpowers the 360s fans.

Also, heat? Both consoles get just as hot as each other IMO, ive got them both sat next to each other and at load they both feel around the same heat wise.

Plus I've had 4 360's go wrong on me, whereas i've had ZERO problems with my PS3.

Very true, im onto my second 360, and ive had zero problems with the ps3 since i got it.

Atari · 3 Jul 2007 at 03:00

Out of the two, I'd pick the 360 anyday of the week. Me and my younger brother picked up the 360 and the PS3 as our birthday presents in April, and since it's been lying around in the house, I can easily say he's played on my 360 more than his own PS3. There just aren't the same good games out, Motorstorm looked good but is in fact more annoying than anything, the first two times you hit a wall you think 'wow how pretty', but after that, nobody cares.

The thing i liked about the ps3 is the constant updates, its as if Sony actually give a damn to what the community want, rather than MS who pick a feature at random and then choose to implement it. For something being touted as a Media Center Extender, it sure as hell doesn't do much good. Without MCE installed on your computer, it's useless, everything needs converting to WMV.

Although everyone with a PS3 will say how its great to not have to pay a monthly sub to use online facilities, I think the cost of Xbox Live is well justified. PSN has a handful (if that) of titles available on it, Live has demos of every major game, and a whole load of extra media types (movies et all in the US), it also has an awesome Live Arcade.

It's a hard choice, I like the PS3 a lot, but the lack of a decent online experience, lack of vibration in the controllers, and a poor game lineup at the moment means at this moment in time, I'd have the 360 over the PS3.

NokkonWud · 3 Jul 2007 at 08:31

AWPC said:
Dude have you completed all 30 or so levels as the more you play it the more fantastic it gets. Some of the later levels contain some of the most amazing looking sci-fi themed FPS levels ever created. Overall it is very well coded and an excellent launch title. Loading times are short as well which considering the high rez texture quality is even more impressive as the PS3 lacks ram.

The texture quality in Resistance is not high-resolution for the most part, infact, most are far too low and basic.