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dirtydog said:
No I don't own it, but plenty of people who *do* own it are bemoaning the 30fps framerate, more so on other forums than this one though. The fact is nobody should be satisfied with 30fps, you are settling for 2nd best and if you do then game makers will be happy to oblige - it's easier for them after all.
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No offence dirtydog but when you consider what games to buy do you make an effort to find out what frame rate it runs at? If you find it runs at 30fps do you say forget it? I take it you never played on many PlayStation games and console games from years ago then? Even on a top class PC you struggle to get consistenly smooth frame rates from a lot of modern games. Do you also dismiss these for technical reasons too? Like a lot of people I buy games I like the look of. I really couldn't give a fig if they run at 30fps or 60fps. The important thing is a smooth experience rather than it having to be 60fps. It really worries me that someone considers whether to buy a game or not depending on its frame rate. Surely the goal with a game is to have fun and not worry about the technical specifics of it all.
 
I won't knowingly get a racing or fps game that is locked to 30fps because it isn't enough. Some games are suited to a lower fps but racing games aren't. It's not about being 'technical'.

I read a comment on another site which sums things up pretty well:-

(#38) I'm a games developer myself, so please don't patronize me with the details of the framerate of movies. Movies are not an interactive medium, they suit the 24fps display as your mind can clearly tell that they aren't reality. If you see made for TV movie shot in 60fps you get this eery smoothness that doesn't lend itself well to the medium, because your mind interprets it as reality rather than film. Games, on the other hand, are meant to be immersive. The smoother framrate is essential in creating a realistic immersive, and most importantly, a responsive game. Since the game has to draw the scene after it knows your input, it is always one frame behind you. The slower the framerate, the longer it takes to draw what you expect to see after you make your input. This is the reason VR causes headaches, and games should be pushing for a very minimum of 60fps unless they are supposed to be emulating the appearance of film.

I don't want it to look like I'm controlling a movie of a guy driving a car. I want to feel like the guy inside the car.
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Btw, on topic, here are some non-HD images of the game: http://www.areagames.de/forum.aspx?action=Topic&TopicID=149&start=1400
 
I guarantee if you actually played PGR3, rather than speculated about it, you wouldnt be so dismissive.

(and if you continued to be, you would probably just be doing so for arguments sake)
 
How can you guarantee that, when some people who own it and have played it still complain about the 30fps?

From a quick google but you can find loads more yourself if you're in doubt about what I'm saying.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25930

I have PGR3 and Kameo.

Kameo is decent. It's not great and it's not terrible. The graphics are very pretty for the most part. It's a good way to show off what the 360 can do for fantasy-type environments. As far as the gameplay goes it's just ok. All the different spirits are a lot of fun to use. Each one has its own unique ways of killing the hordes of trolls you encounter. For example, one can set them on fire, one can use trolls as a club, one has a body made of rocks that he launches at enemies, etc. The game isn't very exciting at all, though. You are always told exactly where to go and how to solve each puzzle. I'm about 5 hours in and I haven't even come close to dying yet. It feels like I'm just going through the motions. Nothing truly exciting has happened yet. It's a good demo of what the 360 is capable of, but it's not a terribly exciting game.

I've only played a little bit of PGR3. The graphics are almost photo-realistic and it's a blast to play online. The only thing I'm disappointed with so far is the framerate. 30 FPS (or whatever it runs at) just isn't enough for a racing game.
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dirtydog said:
How can you guarantee that, when some people who own it and have played it still complain about the 30fps?
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I'm talking about you, not these 'other' people.

I honestly dont believe, if you played it without any prior knowledge of what it was running at, that you would be so negative about it. Its as smooth and responsive as any other racer I've ever played, regardless of the FPS.

How can you judge what a game 'feels' like, without actually playing it?
 
Read my edit. I know what other racing games feel like at 30fps. 30fps is not 60fps. PGR3 might be better than some other 30fps racing games (although I don't see how) but it will never be 60fps or as good as 60fps no matter how many times you and others say it :)
 
dirtydog said:
Read my edit. I know what other racing games feel like at 30fps. 30fps is not 60fps. PGR3 might be better than some other 30fps racing games (although I don't see how) but it will never be 60fps or as good as 60fps no matter how many times you and others say it :)
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I'm incredibly anal with FPS on all my games using my PC .. half the time im sat there bringin up the FPS counter to check what its at if i see just a SLIGHT bit of slowdown. I would recommend PLAYING this game before you even comment as it runs smooth as silk and doesnt play like 30fps in my eyes. Not sure if its something clever they've done with the motion blur to mask stuff like that. My pet peeve is people commenting on something they havent experienced themselves so before you come back with anything at all please go and play the game on a nice HD monitor with the audio blaring out.

I've only seen slowdown once when I was looking behind myself driving over the huge bridge in new york with thousands of struts as a couple of Atoms colided and caused 3 more cars to pile in .. do I care? Not really as I was hurtling along at 170mph having too much fun.

Lets try to keep on topic of posting some sweet images of the game at hand dudes and not argue with people who havent even played it about FPS :/ Absolutely pointless.
 
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Yeh I agree Reektan. This has rapidly turned into another '60fps vs 30fps' thread which i've seen enough of during the build up to launch.

I would politely say to dirtydog to perhaps reserve further comment/judgement until you have played it. If you still feel the same then fine, but I challenge that you may indeed be suprised. ;)

Bring on more sexy screens :)
 
@ Reektan

I'm not talking about slowdown - I'm talking about the game's framerate being capped at 30fps. Also you seem to be ignoring the fact that plenty of people who *have* played the game are bemoaning its framerate. Perhaps they are in the minority but that's because most people are easily pleased as I said above - ie. detailed graphics versus smooth realistic framerate. You can't tell me I'm wrong because at the end of the day it's entirely subjective and a matter of opinion whether 30fps is adequate. However, if someone were to say that 30fps is as smooth and realistic looking as 60fps then that would not be a matter of opinion; that would be factually wrong.

I'm happy to drop the subject but if people keep responding to me and asking me things then that's why I've continued to post in the thread. I won't comment again - unless someone else brings it up again first.
 
dirtydog said:
Read my edit. I know what other racing games feel like at 30fps. 30fps is not 60fps. PGR3 might be better than some other 30fps racing games (although I don't see how) but it will never be 60fps or as good as 60fps no matter how many times you and others say it :)
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Shame - you're missing out on a fantastic racer.

Its perfectly smooth to my eyes, and is by far the most emmersive racing game I've ever played in terms of general look and feel of the cars, track and environments (not physics obviously). Slaughters anything I've ever seen running on a PC at whatever frame rate
 
I can't believe you're going to miss this game just because it's capped at 30fps. You're really missing out.

I can say without doubt, in all the years I've been gaming that this is the most immersive racer I've ever played. GT4 was before that, but you always felt one step removed fro the action.

In PGR3, there is no popup, no clipping, no shoddy road textures and most importantly, the in-cockpit view and fairly good damage modelling.

The only time I've ever seen slowdown is in the replays when there are 5+ cars on screen, crashing into each other and wheel smoking.

Racing games were usually something I loved picking up and playing for a while, but couldn't just sit and play for hours. Since I've opened my Xbox 360 PGR3 has been the most played game by a long way, with PDZ coming in second and Condemned hardly getting a look in.

Honestly, at least try it out - you're really missing a special gaming experience.
 
Just like to add i dont have a 360, nor have played one yet, but this argument your making about its FPS doesn't seem to be relivent with this game, as how they employ realistic motion blur, it sure as hell don't look like a 30fps game to me, and thats just watching from a video, do yourself a favour and download this vid, which shows an ingame vid, and its very very fluid, much smoother than pgr2 looked and forza aswell.

http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_2067_en.html
 
Interesting video but are you sure you were watching the same one as me? :eek: This was the filename of the one I downloaded from your link: 10min_pgr3_part2.avi

Honestly it looks crap mate and has 30fps written all over it. I have to assume you watched a different video to me.

FWIW I have watched other videos from review sites (IGN etc) and it looks ten times better than that video! (Apart from the framerate naturally)
 
dirtydog said:
Interesting video but are you sure you were watching the same one as me? :eek: This was the filename of the one I downloaded from your link: 10min_pgr3_part2.avi

Honestly it looks crap mate and has 30fps written all over it. I have to assume you watched a different video to me.

FWIW I have watched other videos from review sites (IGN etc) and it looks ten times better than that video! (Apart from the framerate naturally)
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:rolleyes:
 
Why do people keep posting and directing posts at me? I've said I'll quit the thread - just drop the subject and we'll agree to disagree. Some people think 30fps is smooth, I think it isn't - it is subjective, let's agree to disagree. I hope nobody else feels the need to comment on this subject in this thread.
 
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