Xbox 360 & PS3 vs PC graphics

i think a lot of it is down to user error and the hardware they buy that makes the console seem better.
as something you just wanna pick up and play then yeh, they have their uses, but i have had soo many games on all 3 platforms and cannot think of 1 that looked or felt better on a console.
that said, i will also admit i have not been lucky enough to have every game work out the box for me, but that is down to me.
i can also, hand on heart say, every game i have had issues with have been down to me, not the game. i can build computers fine. i can also set them up pretty well too, but there are always one or two settings i dont know, and they can cause problems.
for example, finally got round to buying crysis 1 last sunday, and i have not been able to play it as my setup requires vsync as my monitors dont like running without it. crysis does not have this feature, and forcing CCC to run it doesnt work either. i asked on here and someone recommended and app that should fix it so i will give it a go. also, i had issue with my crossfire not working to its full potential, which again, was down to me not changing a setting.
overall, if you have the time to learn everything, or are prepared to admit you are not god and do require help and ask, then the pc will out perform a console on pretty much anything. but if you wanna stick your head in the sand and pretend you know it all, then yeh, i imagine a lot of stuff will be better on a console over the way you run your pc.
now none of that is meant as a personal attack or to put anyone down, just my honest opinion, a console works straight out the box, a pc will require a lot of setting up and tweeking, which you can only get right generally from learning from others mistakes :cool:
 
Ah the good old PC vs Console debates.

Why dont you console freeks get out the the pc section and go back to where you belong which is in the console section?
 
Bloomfield said:
LOL :D.
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Indeed. Lol.

Sho said:
Why dont you console freeks get out the the pc section and go back to where you belong which is in the console section?
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Typical Elistist response which just about sums up this thread - says it all really.


In response, gladly, although as I game on ALL my machines its sad I can't enter a PC section on a PC game or topic of interest to me without seeing Elistist BS everywhere, even when the thread has nothing at all do with consoles, some ignorant troll will just come out with a random derogatory comment. It sickens me.

At least over there in the console section they talk about proper topics and don't feel the need to constantly put down owners of other platforms for no reason. Most of them like me are owners of multiple formats and game on the PC as well, so yeah you're right I think I'll hang over there and talk with adults.
 
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The fact that we are having this discussion in 2011 and not 2005/2006 says it all really. I own all 3 platforms in the title of this thread and I wouldn't say that PC games look vastly better than console versions. They almost always look better but by varying amounts. There is the odd shining example PC version that is a fair bit better. But for each of those, there are a dozen games that need a side-by-side to really see much difference and 1 or 2 console/PS3 exclusives that aren't on the PC anyway. The fact is, if a game was chosen for you at random from the top 10 and you had all 3 versions side-by-side to compare, it would make for a very uneventful afternoon.

People saying that a £40 graphics card will be as good or better at playing the PC version compared to the console game are simply looking at on paper specs. It doesn't work that way.

In the case of the PS3, as already mentioned it has quite a powerful 8 core CPU that does a lot of the graphics work. IIRC the original plan was to just have the CPU with no GPU. There was a tech demo of this years ago showing the the CPU rendering explosions. It wasn't cutting edge but it was good. the nvidia 7800 (which is about 20% faster than the PC 7800 and with some extra features IIRC) was only added later on to compliment the CPU, so saying a 5 year old PC will be as good is simply not true. The PS3 can assign each of its threads to do individual tasks, so it could it instruct SPU1 to render fog, SPU2+3 to render shadows, SPU4 to render reflections etc etc leaving less and less work for the GPU to do. That's just the way it's designed. Believe it or not, some PS3 games use Nvidia Phsyx by using SPUs

The Xbox 360 has a slighter more powerful GPU but less powerful CPU. It has the huge advantage that most current gen games are designed primarily for the Xbox 360.

The biggest tech letdown for these 2 console is not having enough RAM. A couple of devs have commented that if the PS3 just had an extra 256mb RAM, they could so much more with it. I don't actually think any of it is a bad thing. If the PS3 had an extra 1gb RAM and a GPU based on a GTX 250 it would probably match most PC games due to optimisation but then we would only be having this conversation in 2 years by which time, as it stands, new consoles will be around the corner.

I still enjoy PC gaming but it's getting hard to justify upgrading. I'll probably get a 2gb GPU later this year or next year when there's something worth upgrading to for £120-130-ish. If I didn't have my PC now or I had a non-upgradable PC/lap-top, I wouldn't buy/build a gaming PC at the moment. I'd just watch what happened.

The biggest problem for me is the lack of PC exclusive games or at least games that are designed just for the PC even if they get later ported to consoles because while they are making a game for all 3 platforms, they are never going to vary that much. Even forgetting graphics for a moment, every open world game I play on my PC, the world is capable of running on a console with 256mb game RAM (RAM that doesn't run any system/OS/network etc) but on the consoles, it's a case of choosing which games I will buy because there's too many to have time to play all the games I'm interested in.

I still think current gen PC versions of multi-platform games only exist because the current console use DirectX based GPUs based on PC architecture. If the PS4 turns out to be 3 cell CPUs in a box then I think it would all change.
 
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paradisiac said:
where?
its not in any of the display settings at all
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It's under 'graphics' with brightness etc, not 'advanced'. I'm 100% sure it's there

http://img340.imageshack.us/i/crysist.png/

If you haven't got that, the only thing I can think of is that you bought the boxed version and haven't updated/patched it and maybe Vsync wasn't in version 1.0 or whatever it was called.
 
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will have another look tonight, if not i think its rivatuner or something that will let me force it. sux as i was really looking forward to playing it.
but back on topic, this is what my whole point was, there is now, a very strong possabililty that vsync is burried somewhere in the options, which i missed, therefore, my game is unplayable, but it would have been fine on a console (although crysis never made it to console did it?). but i imagine, once i get it sorted it will look awesome :) im not knocking consoles, i think they are great and would highly recommend both the 360 and ps3 to anyone that does not have the knowledge, or isnt big enough to admit they dont know everything. but for a someone that wants it to look sharper and have more flexability over settings then a pc is for them.
too many people take this as a direct criticism that its calling people stupid or doubting their ability as an engineer/builder or whatever. well its not, it is just my observations, and i am sorry if it offends anyone.
 
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The problem in here is that there are a lot of smug, snobbish PC owners who have an attitude problem and consider themselves a step above anyone else who doesn't have cutting edge hardware or dares to have a different opinion or choice of gaming platform. Should you even mention anything other than the excepted opinion you are shot down in flames immediantly. "Console" is also a word you must avoid using at all costs unless its in a negative manner as this will result in an even more hostile or juvenile response from the Elite.
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Welcome to OcUK PC games, the sweetest irony of it is that the vast majority of people posting the most opinionated garbage appear to by almost entirely ignorant about how the hardware or software they use is designed, developed or in some cases how the industry is even structured.

Being able to slot a graphics card into a motherboard and install windows doesn't make you some elite race of gamer. It's not a special skill.
 
Bloomfield said:
Crysis definatly has V-Sync, I can't play without v-sync due to annoying cap whining :(.
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so why cant i find it. i think a bit of googling is in order.

edit : from google
Vertical Sync: Just a note that VSync is disabled by default in Crysis, and this provides the best performance. However if you wish to enable it, either force it via your graphics card's control panel, or use the r_Vsync console command. Note that if you do enable VSync using either method, I strongly recommend also enabling Triple Buffering using the d3d9_TripleBuffering setting, or if using DX10, via one of the tools in the Triple Buffering link just above.


Update: As of the 1.1 Patch, Crysis now has an in-game VSync option to control Vertical Sync. This controls whether VSync is enabled (ticked) or not (unticked), whether in DX9 or DX10 mode.
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looks like i need an update :D
 
orderoftheflame said:
Being able to slot a graphics card into a motherboard and install windows doesn't make you some elite race of gamer. It's not a special skill.
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I agree.

Problem-free PC gaming is actually ridiculously easy, which from where I'm sitting makes the issues sub-optimal specimens like SonicUK and thedoc46 constantly seem to encounter all the more amusing.

For the record, doc46? My hardware spits out over 100 fps in F12010. That's like, over 300% the performance of a console! In a real game! That I own!

You don't know what you're doing.

Anyway, I've given up accounting for/showing patience to/trying to help these reactionary remedial little lesser-thans. Defect already, thus described defectives, and take that stench of mediocrity when you go because I'm done having to share this hobby with you.
 
Rapido! said:
I agree.

Problem-free PC gaming is actually ridiculously easy, which from where I'm sitting makes the issues sub-optimal specimens like SonicUK and thedoc46 constantly seem to encounter all the more amusing.

For the record, doc46? My hardware spits out over 100 fps in F12010. That's like, over 300% the performance of a console! In a real game! That I own!

You don't know what you're doing.

Anyway, I've given up accounting for/showing patience to/trying to help these reactionary remedial little lesser-thans. Defect already, thus described defectives, and take that stench of mediocrity when you go because I'm done having to share this hobby with you.
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You completely missed my point if you agree with me. In fact your just proving the point of ridiculous elitism I was highlighting.

Computers can be problematic regardless of level of experience. Some people are lucky and have none, others do. I experience problems with games, but having knowledge to work around them negates this problem. I don't feel superior for this like you seem too.

If you thin that someone is a remedial, suboptimal or lesser-than just for that then I'm afraid your so far up yourself it's unbelievable.
 
orderoftheflame said:
Computers can be problematic regardless of level of experience. Some people are lucky and have none, others do. I experience problems with games, but having knowledge to work around them negates this problem. I don't feel superior for this like you seem too.
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the thing is, you admit this, like i did, and if you cannot resolve the issue im sure you will ask someone who can. the problem is, a lot of the posts seem to indicate that if it doesnt work out the box its the games fault and not their setup, which, with the amount of variation in hardware and possible settings, seems a bit nieve.
i agree, because you can do something, doesnt make you feel like you are superior, infact, i think the people that probably deserve most praise are those that do nothing but ask advice and learn.
 
paradisiac said:
the thing is, you admit this, like i did, and if you cannot resolve the issue im sure you will ask someone who can. the problem is, a lot of the posts seem to indicate that if it doesnt work out the box its the games fault and not their setup, which, with the amount of variation in hardware and possible settings, seems a bit nieve.
i agree, because you can do something, doesnt make you feel like you are superior, infact, i think the people that probably deserve most praise are those that do nothing but ask advice and learn.
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But more often than not it is a software related issue though, you can't pick a card and know which games released in eight months will run poorly on it. Many games that come out these days do have poor performance upon release that requires a patch or driver update for certain setups DA2 or F1 2010 are prime examples of these. The fixes often aren't obvious, and the problems often aren't down to someone not knowing what they are doing at all.
This is something that happens more and more on PC titles, and is rare on consoles. It's a fact, and all the people crying that it never happens to them and that are calling SonicUK a "sub-optimal specimin" for pointing it out are a complete joke to me.

Thinking that your a superior human because you luckily picked a a spec that results in less problems than someone else is ridiculous.
 
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