**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

[drunkenmaster]

I do agree with him though, a lot of people always tout about resolutions(PC crowd mainly), I'd take games at lower resolutions any days, if the trade off is worth it. And generally it is.

AS Nymins said, to a degree yes, 1080p looks significantly better and sharper than 720p, but as with everything, from 0 to 1080p and beyond, there are diminishing returns, so the closer you get to 1080p the less difference there will be, there will still be a difference.

I don't think resolution will be the big hit though, look at lighting in truly top games, the power to do really absolutely top notch lighting can make the same image underneath, with the same texture quality and resolution look massively different compared to the same scene with very basic lighting, its those effects which have been in PC games(but on critically under optimised systems with too many of the effects an afterthought for PC's) which will be lacking on a very underpowered system because it will be the easiest thing for dev's to use up the extra power.

You make a base game with high textures and decent res and the X1(assuming it ends up with vastly less power) uses it for the "base" game, and the extra power on the PS4 is more likely to be used for extra effects on top, but the highest quality lighting can make all the difference.

Either way, its not good for the X1 that essentially every piece of news makes it sound worse, not better, and like its significantly behind in OS/dev work and optimisation and potentially trying to rush it all to get out a similar time to PS4.

The overall trend of features and info is negative and that isn't good, but unlike others, I get that "most" gamers don't spend time on forums, don't talk about clock speeds, know who AMD or Nvidia are, or will care about anything beyond price and their favourite games. Unles dev's abandon ship on the X1, it will still sell and people will still buy it. The only opinion I can make based on fact, or on fact + rumour, is the PS4 seems better in every possible way.

For PC gaming alone I'm really liking the idea of PC hardware(and more similar to that of a PC than the X1), and openGL, I've wanted for an absolute age someone to push non MS locked in API on PC hardware. I really think the next few years could see a real push for PS4 games being released on PC with openGL rather than DX, and the growth of Linuz as a gaming OS thanks to that, and Steam going openGL linux, two of the biggest brands in gaming working on openGL with a major one pushing towards Linux as well will be good for all of us PC gamers.

 

[FoxEye]

Xbogus One, best thing I took from that Neogaf thread and this complete sham of a console launch. How utterly bad could they do it, It's become Waterworld laughable now. You just want to keep watching to see if it can actually get worse!

I don't get the hate for Waterworld. It's a good film!

 

[jimferno]

If that launch line up is to be believed it's entirely predictable and underwhelming.

I've been disappointed with every Halo since #2. They're technically solid games and generally worth playing through as they're not a COD clone but, for me, I feel it's run it's course.

The only games I had my 360 for were the Gears of War games & those that are more suited to consoles eg fighting games..

Might even skip this entire round of consoles and stick with my PC.

 

[rp2000]

I only just realised that neither MS or Sony said anything bold like "all games will be minimum 1080p".

Disappointing tbh. They have both touted how powerful their machines are but neither has stipulated a minimum "real" resolution.

360 managed it at the launch, they said (I think) that all 360 games would be 720p minimum and I think this rule held for quite a while. Obviously towards the middle/end of the gen devs had to cut corners to give us the fancy graphics and performance we demanded and that came at the price of resolution.

What's the point in all this power if they can't push out 1080p games?

Not read that neogaf thread, but I thought that forum was generally considered unreliable? How do we know they are genuine "insiders"?

Just wait until June 10th, I presume they will released actual technical specs for both consoles and that will confirm which is faster and which has what clock speed etc.


rp2000

 

[antijoke]

This certainly looks like the third console curse in full swing.

 

[XeNoN89]

I only just realised that neither MS or Sony said anything bold like "all games will be minimum 1080p".

Disappointing tbh. They have both touted how powerful their machines are but neither has stipulated a minimum "real" resolution.

360 managed it at the launch, they said (I think) that all 360 games would be 720p minimum and I think this rule held for quite a while. Obviously towards the middle/end of the gen devs had to cut corners to give us the fancy graphics and performance we demanded and that came at the price of resolution.

What's the point in all this power if they can't push out 1080p games?

Not read that neogaf thread, but I thought that forum was generally considered unreliable? How do we know they are genuine "insiders"?

Just wait until June 10th, I presume they will released actual technical specs for both consoles and that will confirm which is faster and which has what clock speed etc.


rp2000

Sony have told developers to target 1080p on all games apparently.

These insiders have leaked various correct things before about both the 360 and XB1, also the mods over there make them verify their comments to stop random people claiming to know stuff, if people get found out to be lying they get banned.

 

[Broken Hope]

Not read that neogaf thread, but I thought that forum was generally considered unreliable? How do we know they are genuine "insiders"?

Neogaf is plenty reliable, a lot of the gaming news reported on the internet starts off there, there are plenty of game developers and insiders who post on that forum.

It's still incredibly telling that Microsoft didn't state what type of RAM they use and made a big deal out of the transistor count in their reveal, this was completely different to Sony who gave us pretty much full specs.

 

[CliffyBiro]

The Crackdown games are the only Xbox exclusive I enjoyed enough to feel like I'm missing out by not being able to play the next one.

Crackdown 3 would be a strong announcement for me.

 

[ps3ud0]

Just wait until June 10th, I presume they will released actual technical specs for both consoles and that will confirm which is faster and which has what clock speed etc.


rp2000

Nope I expect them not to release any further details directly, no doubt their will be plenty of quotes from various MS/Sony sources that will be pieced together though. Ultimately E3 is nothing to do with the hardware, more what you can do with it...

ps3ud0

 

[Broken Hope]

Also looks like the OS presentation was faked since it runs a lot slower on the WIRED video.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576505

Also look what Microsoft posted on one of their official facebook pages..

https://www.facebook.com/WindowsNL

Killzone picture, a PS4 game..

 

[ic1male]

The Crackdown games are the only Xbox exclusive I enjoyed enough to feel like I'm missing out by not being able to play the next one.

Crackdown 3 would be a strong announcement for me.

I dunno, I thought Crackdown 2 was more like Crapdown 2. Not a patch on 1. Same thoughts as Jimferno - Halo went downhill with 2 onwards.

 

[Shamikebab]

Crackdown 2 sucked. If they could make a worthy follow up then that would be a must have.

 

[rp2000]

Sony have told developers to target 1080p on all games apparently.

These insiders have leaked various correct things before about both the 360 and XB1, also the mods over there make them verify their comments to stop random people claiming to know stuff, if people get found out to be lying they get banned.

Neogaf is plenty reliable, a lot of the gaming news reported on the internet starts off there, there are plenty of game developers and insiders who post on that forum.

It's still incredibly telling that Microsoft didn't state what type of RAM they use and made a big deal out of the transistor count in their reveal, this was completely different to Sony who gave us pretty much full specs.

Fair enough. Not really read NeoGaf before, but I recall people making snidey comments about it here before, so just presumed it was crap/unreliable etc. I think I applied for an account a long time ago but never heard back

Nope I expect them not to release any further details directly, no doubt their will be plenty of quotes from various MS/Sony sources that will be pieced together though. Ultimately E3 is nothing to do with the hardware, more what you can do with it...

ps3ud0

Yeah I'm sure they will focus on the games, I meant more that during the E3 week at some point there will be a release with the specs (for media, websites etc). I don't expect them to list them in any detail on stage as that would be boring when we could be watching some pseudo celeb dancing to Dance Mix Party Up In your Face 3


rp2000

 

[drunkenmaster]

Crackdown 1 was really fun, 2 was poop. I also don't expect much hardware talk at E3, well, maybe, maybe not.

If Sony realise how far ahead their hardware is, they have no reason to not constantly bring it up, because every reporter they tell about their hardware, is a reporter that will go and ask MS about their own console, and it sounds like they won't want to talk about it. But if Sony are throwing out specs when asked, and MS don't, the story of E3 becomes "what is wrong with the Xbox One?".

So actually Sony potentially have REALLY good reasons to talk about hardware a lot, MS I can't see wanting to talk about theirs and even from the last couple days, you can be sure reporters will be asking every dev, every MS exec about the hardware and any problems anyway.


Either way, in the end it won't completely be how much further ahead the hardware is.. maybe, but who uses it best, and I really get the impression Sony are going with a much more dev friendly package, simpler architecture and no triple OS to deal with, and generally just more headroom in performance.

 

[dannyjo22]

Also looks like the OS presentation was faked since it runs a lot slower on the WIRED video.

Did anyone think otherwise? Whole thing reminded me of the kinect Milo rubbish. Sony must be in meetings not believing their luck this time around. MS are doing their best to make them look good without them even trying.

I just don't think the games at E3 will be enough to turn it around, sadly.

 

[XeNoN89]

Fair enough. Not really read NeoGaf before, but I recall people making snidey comments about it here before, so just presumed it was crap/unreliable etc. I think I applied for an account a long time ago but never heard back



rp2000

They are known for making things like this as well as leaks:

 

[rubberduck]

360 managed it at the launch, they said (I think) that all 360 games would be 720p minimum and I think this rule held for quite a while.

Halo 3 was rendered at a lower resolution than 720p... I would expect other games were too.

 

[mmj_uk]

I wouldn't have thought MS could balls up a console launch so much after the Xbox 360 engineering/reliability issues, but if the rumours of GPU downgrade and unfinished OS are true I think they are well on their way.

 

[ZG002]

My biggest problem with the os fake isn't that they had to fake it to show us the features it's that they were banging on about how snappy it was, it's a joke.

 

[Nismo]

Also looks like the OS presentation was faked since it runs a lot slower on the WIRED video.

No ****.

It would be crazy for such a large company to conduct a presentation using a live system, too many variables to go wrong. I think you'll find anything like this is staged.