**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

ps3ud0 said:
As a few of the journalists said on the GT feed though, being somewhere between where we are today and where we will be is all well and good (some dismiss it as jack of all trades, master of none) and retrospectively the XO might(will?) been seen in a far better light, its hard to appreciate that going forwards without being privileged in exactly what MS want to do.

Gamers game, they arent stupid but they are somewhat narrow-minded (I think thats fair to say), I think the vision that MS are trying to sell is to an audience that isnt going to be early adopters, isnt going to be the system evangelists but may well fit a larger population which obviously to MS is a more profitable one. Its the pain they will undoubtedly feel til they get to that point.

I do see MS looking further in the future than Sony has, I just dont think that gaze should have solidified as it has, part of that problem is of course this new generations lifetime will span some massive paradiagm shifts in how we consume media.

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Probably the most sensible post on here in a while
 
phil_t98 said:
The structure for drm has been the on currant gen, ea used online passes and am pretty much thinking it will be the same on the new consoles
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But most of them have given up that method. They admitted it didnt work.

wannabedamned said:
I know. This is pretty cool. Any console release ever has literally just been different specs, and different exclusives.

This time around, we have 2 completely different infrastructures.

I know there's a lot of hate surrounding the xboxONE. And I hate a lot of aspects of it personally. But I can't help but be excited, as an always plugged in, networked device, with hands free interaction that works as a centralised hub is so damn futuristic!!!
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I know I'm not too bothered about the Drm either I'm used to Steam. But its like they havent really understood why Steam was so successful. They taken the worst parts and havent really made it palatable. Give me cheaper games, sales and things and I wont mind not being able to sell them.
 
Calabi said:
But most of them have given up that method. They admitted it didnt work.



I know I'm not too bothered about the Drm either I'm used to Steam. But its like they havent really understood why Steam was so successful. They taken the worst parts and havent really made it palatable. Give me cheaper games, sales and things and I wont mind not being able to sell them.
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I think they given up till next gen as it will be there from the start
 
Davey_Pitch said:
Are they though? When I look at my friends list on XBL it's a fairly regular occurence that nearly half of them are doing something other than gaming. They could be watching Sky Go, streaming a film, using the YouTube app, or whatever, but they're doing more than gaming. I would imagine that they've collated a lot of info from XBL about what people do, and wouldn't be making their decisions based purely on guesswork (even though it seems that way at times).
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IT's true, every time I see you online you're playing FIFA, whilst I'm probably watching Sky Go! :)
 
Calabi said:
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I know I'm not too bothered about the Drm either I'm used to Steam. But its like they havent really understood why Steam was so successful. They taken the worst parts and havent really made it palatable. Give me cheaper games, sales and things and I wont mind not being able to sell them.
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Steam has become very successful, but I don't believe it started that well, did it? I don't know.

I read something along the lines of if you want cheaper games, there has to be a pay-off somewhere. Something like giving publishers a larger cut because of digital distribution or something, less in-store.

The other side is what Reggie (Nintendo) said. Having most games in-store is a presence in itself, and worth keeping - whether it's 2nd hand or otherwise. I don't know which one is right though.

Kinda rich from Reggie considering you're hard pressed to find Wii U games in stores...
 
wannabedamned said:
I know there's a lot of hate surrounding the xboxONE. And I hate a lot of aspects of it personally. But I can't help but be excited, as an always plugged in, networked device, with hands free interaction that works as a centralised hub is so damn futuristic!!!
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This is what I like about it kinect and the stuff it does, How long before there's a kinect sensor on your front door which logs you in to your house and turns on the tv/hifi/lights while putting the kettle on too....we've all seen the films stuff like this is in :D
 
spookywillow said:
This is what I like about it kinect and the stuff it does, How long before there's a kinect sensor on your front door which logs you in to your house and turns on the tv/hifi/lights while putting the kettle on too....we've all seen the films stuff like this is in :D
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Its called X10 and/or Android with RFID tags :p

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
ps3ud0 said:
As a few of the journalists said on the GT feed though, being somewhere between where we are today and where we will be is all well and good (some dismiss it as jack of all trades, master of none) and retrospectively the XO might(will?) been seen in a far better light, its hard to appreciate that going forwards without being privileged in exactly what MS want to do.

Gamers game, they arent stupid but they are somewhat narrow-minded (I think thats fair to say), I think the vision that MS are trying to sell is to an audience that isnt going to be early adopters, isnt going to be the system evangelists but may well fit a larger population which obviously to MS is a more profitable one. Its the pain they will undoubtedly feel til they get to that point.

I do see MS looking further in the future than Sony has, I just dont think that gaze should have solidified as it has, part of that problem is of course this new generations lifetime will span some massive paradiagm shifts in how we consume media.

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Great post, and I very much agree. Microsoft obviously have a vision for the future of gaming and they want us along for the ride. They just don't seem to want to tell us where we're going :D
 
It really does come down to what you want out of a console be it pure games or all in one

I'm very much the pure type as the xbone can't do as much as my htpc can or as well. Therefore I only need a console that plays games.

If the xbone was a substitute for the htpc I would most likely have got one

I agree with previous post as to it being an exciting time
Will one flop
Will all the ps4 chosers back up their claims
Will devs support both consoles equally?
Will ms backtrack on any drm etc statements

To me the xbone is good choice for families and those who want complete experience beyond games who have decent Internet and buy games at launch and keep them

The PS4 is for the people who want a purer unrestricted path where you can easily try new games and sell them on later, simpler too with less drm. No gubbins like kinnect etc

It's only because xbone is so polar to my requirements I can't get one. I love the games and the controllers, I will miss not having one for sure, but it is an interesting launch with the two very different approaches
 
Will the cloud computing severs make any difference to the lack of gpu power? Will xbox one games look significantly worse than ps4. Will the gpu be able to output 4k adequately ?
 
Syph said:
Steam has become very successful, but I don't believe it started that well, did it? I don't know.

I read something along the lines of if you want cheaper games, there has to be a pay-off somewhere. Something like giving publishers a larger cut because of digital distribution or something, less in-store.

The other side is what Reggie (Nintendo) said. Having most games in-store is a presence in itself, and worth keeping - whether it's 2nd hand or otherwise. I don't know which one is right though.

Kinda rich from Reggie considering you're hard pressed to find Wii U games in stores...
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You're right, I remember when Steam first originally came out and there was uproar around it. It was a different idea and many concerns were raised around practices - However, Steam were much better than MS have been on communicating. Eventually it became second nature and is now the service us PC gamers love to use.
 
Personally the convenience of cloud maintained profiles and digital games outweighs the disadvantages. I VERY rarely lend games (can't think of any times off the top of my head during my 360 ownership!) and it looks like this family share feature will be great for that anyway.

I'd be very surprised of 3rd Parties on the PS4 don't do the same anyawy, Ubisoft & EA already have the infrastructure and systems in place with Origin and U-Play.
 
mattf said:
Will the cloud computing severs make any difference to the lack of gpu power? Will xbox one games look significantly worse than ps4. Will the gpu be able to output 4k adequately ?
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That's unknown right now. I read one article that suggested that devs could use the cloud processing to do a lot of the background grunt while your Xbox took care of the main fast paced processing, but I think until some dev team puts their whole weight behind it, we won't know for sure.

One thing the Xbox One has going for it, thanks to it's need for the 24 hour check in, is that you know every Xbox One owner has the internet, something you can't guarantee with the PS4. That means that devs can program for the Xbox One cloud, knowing everyone will use it. Maybe something like a persistant online world that continues to run while you're asleep, I don't know really, but I imagine it opens up quite a lot of possibiities for inventive dev teams.
 
Chris1712 said:
Personally the convenience of cloud maintained profiles and digital games outweighs the disadvantages. I VERY rarely lend games (can't think of any times off the top of my head during my 360 ownership!) and it looks like this family share feature will be great for that anyway.

I'd be very surprised of 3rd Parties on the PS4 don't do the same anyawy, Ubisoft & EA already have the infrastructure and systems in place with Origin and U-Play.
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EA said there done with Online passes, but i wouldnt hold my breath.
 
matty86uk said:
http://www.neowin.net/news/anonymous-xbox-engineer-explains-drm-and-microsofts-xbox-one-intentions

Explains quite a bit if you can believe the source.
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If that is genuine (and I tend to believe it could be, as it fits a lot of what I've read), then MS should have gotten that guy to speak to E3. Not all of that would still go down well with gamers, but I think the majority of gamers would have least have appreciated what they were trying to do, whether they personally agree with it or not.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
That's unknown right now. I read one article that suggested that devs could use the cloud processing to do a lot of the background grunt while your Xbox took care of the main fast paced processing, but I think until some dev team puts their whole weight behind it, we won't know for sure.

One thing the Xbox One has going for it, thanks to it's need for the 24 hour check in, is that you know every Xbox One owner has the internet, something you can't guarantee with the PS4. That means that devs can program for the Xbox One cloud, knowing everyone will use it. Maybe something like a persistant online world that continues to run while you're asleep, I don't know really, but I imagine it opens up quite a lot of possibiities for inventive dev teams.
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You have to wonder, like people argued about the X360 and PS3. if we will ever see that cloud computing usage in multiplats, just like we didnt see those additional advantages with the Cell because what needed to happen took significant additional developer effort which ultimately publishers werent happy to fund.

Ive made numerous posts on the whole topic of XO cloud computing so I wont drone on :p. Ill just leave the point that weve seen plenty of technologies with lots of potential, but rarely have we seen that realised.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.

Thats the exact reason why im switching.
 
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