**XBOX ONE** Official Thread
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Ok, my revised stance is:
Price: No biggy. If you add the camera to the PS4, it's pretty much the same price as the XB1
Camera: No biggy. Don't think of it just for games. It's also a tool for using / controlling the XB1. Don't want it? Cover it up.
Controller: XB1 wins, still
DRM: Sony have said no DRM on 1st party games. So, 3rd party, like EA, who have a worse licencing model than MS themselves, will have full control of DRM over their games, and don't be naïve here, they will use it. Physical media will vanish in the next 3 years or so, so...again, no biggy. I don't have kids, and in 6 years of X360 ownership, I've shared one game.
Regions: xBox won't be available in Japan, and some other areas, so, again, I don't really care.
So. What have I done? Pre-Ordered both
Price: No biggy. If you add the camera to the PS4, it's pretty much the same price as the XB1
Camera: No biggy. Don't think of it just for games. It's also a tool for using / controlling the XB1. Don't want it? Cover it up.
Controller: XB1 wins, still
DRM: Sony have said no DRM on 1st party games. So, 3rd party, like EA, who have a worse licencing model than MS themselves, will have full control of DRM over their games, and don't be naïve here, they will use it. Physical media will vanish in the next 3 years or so, so...again, no biggy. I don't have kids, and in 6 years of X360 ownership, I've shared one game.
Regions: xBox won't be available in Japan, and some other areas, so, again, I don't really care.
So. What have I done? Pre-Ordered both
The pastebin that's doing the rounds at the moment is quite interesting. Choice quote has to be this though;
Seems MS are way way overestimating the number of people who actually use their console for things other than gaming.
Seems MS are way way overestimating the number of people who actually use their console for things other than gaming.
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What conventions are there between now and release that we might hear MS talking more about the details?
Indeed as the only real USP is that HDMI in pretty much. The mad thing is, is that its not like Sony dont have leagues of non-game media at their disposal so it makes that stance even more interesting...
Tokyo Games Show and Gamescom
TGS is gonna be heated as hell though for both parties I expect..
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Everyone says the DRM is essentially that of the PS3.
Not doing the Versus thing, just pointing this out.
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Are they though? When I look at my friends list on XBL it's a fairly regular occurence that nearly half of them are doing something other than gaming. They could be watching Sky Go, streaming a film, using the YouTube app, or whatever, but they're doing more than gaming. I would imagine that they've collated a lot of info from XBL about what people do, and wouldn't be making their decisions based purely on guesswork (even though it seems that way at times).
I believe there well overestimating, my friends list hardly ever has anyone doing anything but Gaming, i guess depending on your uses will depend what consoles you get, most people have laptops, sky etc etc at there side anyway.
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My 360 is mainly used as a media extender or for netflix to be fair 
Although I think the 360 has been through a dry spell this year with regards to games, I know i used it more for gaming last year.
Although I think the 360 has been through a dry spell this year with regards to games, I know i used it more for gaming last year.
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Same for me. Although i only have about 6 friends on xbox i'd say 50% of the time they are doing things other than gaming.
Personally i use it for Sky more than i game so that's a dealbreaker for me. If SkyGo comes to both then i'll consider the PS4. If it only comes to the xbox then that's my choice.
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Essentially the same, but not identical. As they're not forcing third party publishers to not use online passes, you could effectively be paying twice to play a game online if you buy it 2nd hand - once with your PS+ subscription, and then again to get a new online pass. It probably won't happen, but if they're leaving it up to third part pubs and devs to make their own decisions, it's a possibility.Everyone says the DRM is essentially that of the PS3.
Not doing the Versus thing, just pointing this out.
That might be a particular point in time though, I doubt that many favour non-gaming to gaming. Not enough to make a policy that feels to many that the focus has moved from gaming to other media features. Its a bold play if that policy is purely bourne out of what XBL gamers have been doing...
Hell it would be a funny statement for Sony to do even though so many apparently like keep a layer of dust on the BD only playing PS3
This is coming from someone that is constantly on PlayTV and rarely has time to game. So aware there are a few of us
Id disagree with that statement as its my feeling one is building a system/OS framework for publishers/retailer to work within, while the other seems content that if publishers want to do something beyond what they are providing its those publishers that will have to build it themselves.
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Look at it this way, you're looking at a narrow selection of users (your friends list), Davey is looking at a narrow selection (his friends list) MS are looking at the entire online userbase
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I think MS are trying to walk a very fine line between wanting to be seen as a games console, and an all around entertainment device. Their initial reveal focussed on the media side of things, while E3 was very much about the games. I think they need to decide what they want the Xbox One to be seen as, and then go from there. If it's an entertainment device, that's fine, as from the specs and software, it looks like it would trounce the PS4 in that regard (with the pass-through HDMI, Sky, etc), but if it wants to be seen as a gaming device primarily, it needs to clarify a lot of points, and quickly.
Ok, my revised stance is:
Price: No biggy. If you add the camera to the PS4, it's pretty much the same price as the XB1
Camera: No biggy. Don't think of it just for games. It's also a tool for using / controlling the XB1. Don't want it? Cover it up.
Controller: XB1 wins, still
DRM: Sony have said no DRM on 1st party games. So, 3rd party, like EA, who have a worse licencing model than MS themselves, will have full control of DRM over their games, and don't be naïve here, they will use it. Physical media will vanish in the next 3 years or so, so...again, no biggy. I don't have kids, and in 6 years of X360 ownership, I've shared one game.
Regions: xBox won't be available in Japan, and some other areas, so, again, I don't really care.
So. What have I done? Pre-Ordered both
Without support from the hardware theirs not a lot third party developers can do with drm. I suppose they could build their own drm infrastructure, and have all their games be online only and checked by their servers.
I'm betting no publishers will implement drm on the PS4. Due to the cost and the infamy that, that would give them.
Its interesting with the way these two consoles have gone. It allows the publishers to be both the good guy and the bad guy. The difference will allow them to see how much the used game market effects their sales negatively or positively.
When have two consoles gone head to head like this before? Same release date, similar hardware with very different philosophies and prices.
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I pre ordered at grainier games, £20 deposit and can go in any time to pay extra off. Am hoping I will have paid off by launch day and pick up maybe 3 or 4 games to
The structure for drm has been the on currant gen, ea used online passes and am pretty much thinking it will be the same on the new consoles
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I know. This is pretty cool. Any console release ever has literally just been different specs, and different exclusives.
This time around, we have 2 completely different infrastructures.
I know there's a lot of hate surrounding the xboxONE. And I hate a lot of aspects of it personally. But I can't help but be excited, as an always plugged in, networked device, with hands free interaction that works as a centralised hub is so damn futuristic!!!
As a few of the journalists said on the GT feed though, being somewhere between where we are today and where we will be is all well and good (some dismiss it as jack of all trades, master of none) and retrospectively the XO might(will?) been seen in a far better light, its hard to appreciate that going forwards without being privileged in exactly what MS want to do.
Gamers game, they arent stupid but they are somewhat narrow-minded (I think thats fair to say), I think the vision that MS are trying to sell is to an audience that isnt going to be early adopters, isnt going to be the system evangelists but may well fit a larger population which obviously to MS is a more profitable one. Its the pain they will undoubtedly feel til they get to that point.
I do see MS looking further in the future than Sony has, I just dont think that gaze should have solidified as it has, part of that problem is of course this new generations lifetime will span some massive paradiagm shifts in how we consume media.
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