**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

jimjamuk said:
I quite like the idea of this family list (of 10) but given the DRM move is to ensure the publishers (rightly or wrongly) get a slice of future resale would this family list lose them sales - I mean I would club together with 9 friends and for those games that arent AAA only one copy would be bought between the group. You would end up with a big library of games shared between 10 users. Obviously for the big games each would buy the game if they knew they wanted to spend a lot of time on it
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Yeah, the system is definitely open to abuse like that, and I'm sure more info will come out clarifying exactly how it'll work and what kind of restrictions there will be (because I'm sure there will be some). It does seem like a truly innovative feature though, gotta give MS credit for it.
 
I wonder if it'll use some kind of "check-out" system, like in a real library with a book? A family member looks at your game library, decides on a game they want to play, and then check it out, effectively locking it to them while they play it, so another family member can't use it while they're in the middle of it.
 
Im dubious to think their going to allow more than one person to play the game at the same time. I could get 5 friends/family chip £10 each in, pop the disc in install it, and then play it forever without the hard copy? or say buy it install and sell it? how does that work.. im sure that was the idea of the DRM they implemented.
 
I wonder if it was a knee jerk reaction from the initial grief that went round when DRM first kicked off. I mean I would be very unhappy if I bought a game but my lad couldnt log into his account and play it in the same house (even on the same machine) but to allow 10 people access to it from different boxes really is unbelieveable.
 
Quinnaay said:
Im dubious to think their going to allow more than one person to play the game at the same time. I could get 5 friends/family chip £10 each in, pop the disc in install it, and then play it forever without the hard copy? or say buy it install and sell it? how does that work.. im sure that was the idea of the DRM they implemented.
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The way the text reads is that the owner can always play the games, with one other family member able to play it at the same time. Whether that's in SP only or MP as well isn't clear.

As for selling the games after installing it, that's where the DRM would come in I guess. I'd imagine that the moment someone else buys it and authenticates it online, it would remove the game from your game library, which obviously also removes it from all your "Family" as well.

jimjamuk said:
I wonder if it was a knee jerk reaction from the initial grief that went round when DRM first kicked off. I mean I would be very unhappy if I bought a game but my lad couldnt log into his account and play it in the same house (even on the same machine) but to allow 10 people access to it from different boxes really is unbelieveable.
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I wonder if this feature is the reason for the DRM, rather than the other way around. MS seem to be making this console as family friendly as possible (with it's TV integration and Skype, etc), and this feature feeds into that. Having DRM like they do would certainly go some way to reducing the amount of abuse the feature would bring in.

I wouldn't be overly surprised to see them reduce the number of Family members to 5 though. 10 is very generous, and would certainly see a lot of friends than real family on most peoples lists.
 
Surely plain common sense and knowledge of their other policies must just make it hard to believe that theyll allow 2 people to share a game license without 'restriction'? Could you be both on MP at the same time or in the same match?

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ps3ud0 said:
Surely plain common sense and knowledge of their other policies must just make it hard to believe that theyll allow 2 people to share a game license without 'restriction'? Could you be both on MP at the same time or in the same match?

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Common sense says that there will definitely be a restriction of some kind. My guess is that they won't allow both gamers to be playing online at the same time in MP or Co-op. Even if that's the case, there's no denying it's potentially a fabulous feature that will sell a fair number of consoles on its own, if it works how MS are suggesting it'll work.
 
Quinnaay said:
Im dubious to think their going to allow more than one person to play the game at the same time. I could get 5 friends/family chip £10 each in, pop the disc in install it, and then play it forever without the hard copy? or say buy it install and sell it? how does that work.. im sure that was the idea of the DRM they implemented.
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Thinking about the costs point again, I wonder how much it would actually reduce overall game sales. If I'm about to spend £40 on a game, and 3 friends say "I was going to buy that, let's split the costs", then in all likelyhood I'm just going to use the rest of that money to put towards another game instead. The ability to share your library might just mean a decrease in sales for several individual titles, but perhaps an increase in others as gamers decide to give the game a shot as they're spreading the cost (and in doing so, giving everyone a much bigger game library to play from).
 
Didn't PS3 have family sharing between 5 people but publishers made them drop it down to 2 because of system abuse?
I really can't see Microsoft letting people share licenses between 10 people, bringing game costs down to £4 per person , or even £10 per person if shared between only 4 people. Surely this would lose more sales than used games?
There has to be some catch somewhere, like maybe it's more a case of sharing the whole library rather than each game, so only one other person can play a game from your whole library at the same time as you're playing a game from said library, rather than 10 people playing 10 different games from one library of games, if that makes sense?
It just seems totally opposite to the stance they've gone with.
 
Simi said:
There has to be some catch somewhere, like maybe it's more a case of sharing the whole library rather than each game, so only one other person can play a game from your whole library at the same time as you're playing a game from said library, rather than 10 people playing 10 different games from one library of games, if that makes sense?
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That could happen, the wording of everything I've read could be interpreted in that way.

I still don't think it will hurt sales that much, certainly not with the biggest titles anyway. With your CODs, Battlefield's and Fifas, people would want games like those always available to play, not available based on whether they get in before another family member does.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
Common sense says that there will definitely be a restriction of some kind. My guess is that they won't allow both gamers to be playing online at the same time in MP or Co-op. Even if that's the case, there's no denying it's potentially a fabulous feature that will sell a fair number of consoles on its own, if it works how MS are suggesting it'll work.
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Think it would be of interest to a lot of us, got a feeling though I wont be convinced until someone heres got one and raving about it...
Simi said:
Didn't PS3 have family sharing between 5 people but publishers made them drop it down to 2 because of system abuse?
I really can't see Microsoft letting people share licenses between 10 people, bringing game costs down to £4 per person , or even £10 per person if shared between only 4 people. Surely this would lose more sales than used games?
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Yeah I mentioned that, but that was more abuse of the system than a 'friends and family' service MS are releasing. Im confused as hell

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ps3ud0 said:
Think it would be of interest to a lot of us, got a feeling though I wont be convinced until someone heres got one and raving about it...
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I just want MS to come out and say "this is how it's going to work, this is how you share the games, these are the restrictions". That'd satisfy me for now, rather than forcing me to read loads of articles and trying to read between the lines.
 
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The xbone launch is unbelievably complicated and there still seem to be many unknowns

It definitely seems to be detrimental for my situation.

Never play multilayer online
No xbl
Coop play on one console
Campaign only
Awkward restricted second hand options

For me and my gf we just want a console that I can pick up and play for a couple of hours
Cheap games as once the campaign is done I'm finished with the game
 
Davey_Pitch said:
I just want MS to come out and say "this is how it's going to work, this is how you share the games, these are the restrictions". That'd satisfy me for me, rather than forcing me to read loads of articles and trying to read between the lines.
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No I agree, honestly without trying to sound an idiot, the XO release has really questioned if I believe half of what they say as a company, Im just starting not to trust MS because they are forever sheepish. Im completely frustrated that people on here are having to clean up their lack of direct communication and thats not even because of the PR spin...

Just tell us the bad stuff, sell us the good stuff and let us make our own decision. Surely the product good enough to disclose like that otherwise why make it the way it is...

As I flippantly said, it really feels Im in Currys being sold a Monster HDMI cable...

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Davey_Pitch said:
With your CODs, Battlefield's and Fifas, people would want games like those always available to play, not available based on whether they get in before another family member does.
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I totally agree with that. However, when games like Tomb Raider are unsuccessful with 'only' 4 Million copies sold then surely publishers would be hesitant to sign off on another 9 people sharing one copy. It just seems so open to abuse; in fact from Phil Spencer's wording it seems like an invite to abusing the system.

Phil Spencer to Penny Arcade I know certain people will create a family group of people that aren’t all part of the same family, and I do think that’s an advantage, and people will use that.
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Perhaps it will work in the same way that MS are claiming the DRM system works, a publisher decision on whether to allow it or not.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
I just want MS to come out and say "this is how it's going to work, this is how you share the games, these are the restrictions". That'd satisfy me for me, rather than forcing me to read loads of articles and trying to read between the lines.
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I await this information too, too much faffing around, they are useless at explaining stuff as they've come out and said, but instead of complaining and mumbling about E3 give solid facts about the console. There fighting a HUGH uphill battle already and it seems to me they actually dont even know what there going to do yet and coming up with something to try bring people back.
 
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