**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

The thing is if their vision was as great for gamers as we assume or guess, then ignoring poor communication they would have stuck by it and they would have had the last laugh. U-turning so quickly and so seemingly easily just leaves me uneasy with the thought that what they wanted to do wasnt actually worth swallowing or that in reality their vision wasnt actually that fleshed out anyway. I honestly do believe its far more about targeted advertising and further monetising the value of gamers on XBL.

The same with Kinect, Im tired of hearing all the promise and potential from it by now being mandatory from people that seems to be clinging to any vague positive MS havent backtracked from, yet ask for a tangible reasoning why (as in a demonstration how it significantly changes gaming, seems a fair question when its been around for years now) or to suggest that MS appear to be slightly embarrassed by a technology they are trying to push through as they arent showing it off outside of its voice comms and you are branded as someone who is narrow-minded.

Sony might be the safe-bet and leading us down what is (overly) familiar, now I dont think that MS really was taken us anywhere different and to lead us there MS was using a stick rather than a carrot...

They need more than Mattrick gone to curry favour, Major Nelson needs to go too, he seems to be as useful and informed as FOX news...

EDIT: Im surprised how dismissive I am of MS now after this console release, where before I was mostly indifferent. I do think the XO would do better if it was associated with MS...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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A confirmed Xbox One Dev does Reddit AMA.

Good luck making sense of it.

The majority of the masses care only about the console, except that the success of the Kinect carries much more weight to us. The sensor costs almost as much as the console to make.
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That kinect is one expensive item.

 
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[–]TFM_Jeff 9 points 1 day ago




Do you know what the thought process is behind not shipping with a headset? I understand that Kinect will be the microphone for those who don't buy the headset, but how come nobody thought that voice through speakers is a terrible idea?

In-game audio turns down so that voices come through loud and clear. Aside from that, who wants their family listening in on conversations? Why is this something Microsoft isn't concerned about?

Also do you know if a wireless headset is in the works? So far (from what I remember) there's only been the wired headset announced.
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[–]XboxOneDevConfirmed XB1 Dev 55 points 1 day ago




This is one of those things they don't tell us until everyone else knows. But I have heard a wired headset will be included.
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I hope so.
 
Macro said:
I don't think anyone has ever claimed that digital licensing would change the games per se. Kinect however could add some welcome enhancements to gaming as could cloud compute be it Sony or Microsoft flavours. We're not likely to see the tangible results of either of those technologies for some time but with a 7-8 year life span I'm pretty confident they will become more relevant both as the technology matures and devs wrap their brains around how to take advantage of the capabilities.

What digital licensing did have the opportunity to do was to offer a variation on console gaming allowing the sharing of digital library with friends and family, have my entire gaming collection as well as DLC and save games available to me on any xbox I logged into and the potential for digital trading. Perhaps not earth shattering but a step forward from the same old physical format we've had for decades. I accept i'm in the minority in not getting emotional about DRM. It didn't seem to affect me in a negative way particularly as my xbox is always connected to the internet anyway and I rarely sell games, although if I wanted to o it appeared I still could anyway. The benefits of the proposed system, albeit perhaps with some adjustments to allow offline play as well would have been a substantial benefit for me and my friends. But then I'm fine with Steam for my games on PC as well... /shrug. Digital licensing and format for games, music and video etc is about convenience & immediacy rather than price, which is why Steam is generally more expensive than Amazon for games outside of sales.

Agreed...
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There's nothing stopping MS implementing their sharing guff on DD titles.

Oh wait there is, they don't want to compete with retail and potentially force prices down.
 
ps3ud0 said:
EDIT: Im surprised how dismissive I am of MS now after this console release, where before I was mostly indifferent. I do think the XO would do better if it was associated with MS...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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In my opinion (FWIW) I think the MS PR team panicked and knee jerked in an attempt to win back the vocal gamers with a "we take customers and gamers seriously so we've listened to what you said and adjusted our plans". Ironically I think if they had have held their nerve and made a serious attempt to take the lynch mob head on and lay their plans, technology and advantages to the consumer out clearly and comprehensively it may have blown over and people would have come round albeit having taken a hit.

Technologies like voice and optical recognition, second screen via tablets and phone, cloud compute etc offer the option to extend the experience from an entertainment device. Even Sony buy into the movement technology with the somewhat poor blue light tracking and optional eye toy.

Forums like this give a very polarised view of the world and I suspect XB1 will be no where near the disaster on release some would believe although I don't doubt PS4 will take a substantial early lead. It tends to be hard core gamers that are willing to spend £400 on a console plus a couple of hundred quid on games even when they know it will be cheaper 6 months down the line. What will be interesting is to see the sales numbers 6 months and a year after release once the hardcore gamers have bought there consoles and sales are driven by more casual gamers. Sony has always dominated the far east and Europe with MS doing better in the US, I can't see that massively changing a year down the line as PS remains the incumbent with a pretty fanatical fan base. Although we don't know availability numbers we're already starting to see "initial allocation sold out" news from Amazon and Gamestop for XB1 as well as PS4. Without availability numbers that's pretty meaningless however.

Having said that MS came from nowhere with Xbox and then 360 before although I suspect XB1 will do well I can't see it over taking PS4 this generation, certainly not in the near future although the appeal of TV/Media/Sports functionality and Win8 type apps may yet come to tell in the longer term.

I do find it interesting that there continues to be people that having chosen to go with PS4 who still seem to feel a need to convert or dismiss those that have chosen Xbox. It's remarkable (tiresome? tedious maybe?) to see people continue to post in a Xbox One thread about how "tired" they are with reading about people posting something positive about XB1 or Kinect and how dismissive they feel about MS and XB1. Yet despite that, they seem obsessed with trying to prove to anyone who will listen that anyone who wants an XB1 that they must be wrong or not understanding something. Must have something to do with just wanting to kill dragons in their bedroom I suppose. ;) :)
 
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kitch9 said:
There's nothing stopping MS implementing their sharing guff on DD titles.

Oh wait there is, they don't want to compete with retail and potentially force prices down.
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So far digital licenses on all platforms have rarely meant cheaper prices (outside of sales), it's about convenience and immediacy, not driving down prices.
 
biron_w said:
MS have said there ISN'T a headset included with the X1.
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To be fair with the inclusion of Kinect I'd be surprised if they did include a headset as well. Granted not everyone want's incoming voice comms to be screamed through speakers but with costs high already and a viable voice solution built in I suspect the headsets will be an optional extra. There was a post saying MS will have an adapter that will allow you to use 360 headsets.

I'd love to be proved wrong but I just can't see it though, I dare say retailers will take the opportunity to do bundles with a headset. :(
 
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Macro said:
What will be interesting is to see the sales numbers 6 months and a year after release once the hardcore gamers have bought there consoles and sales are driven by more casual gamers.
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Casual gamers are most likely to be attracted by the lowest console price. I don't see xbox going for less than the PS.
 
Captain Planet said:
Sorry, missed it :D

With the possible reconsider for spec perhaps MS will rethink their package too and dump the kinect and offer a cheaper console? It would surprise me if they didn't look to do this to bring a system out at the same price as PS4. If they did this I would reconsider my purchase!
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re-think the nsa global spy home infiltration unit? doubt it, but it would be awesome if, MS create and offer the sale of a next gen gaming console.
not seen one so far.
 
Captain Planet said:
Casual gamers are most likely to be attracted by the lowest console price. I don't see xbox going for less than the PS.
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Maybe, although MS have pretty deep pockets. It wouldn't surprise me if we saw Xbox One match or be cheaper than PS4 at some point in it's life if they thought price was proving to be a barrier to adoption.

As you say I doubt that would be in the first year or so.

I was thinking casual gamers tend more towards using stuff like Kinect and perhaps in the US (and UK if a deal can be done with BT/Sky/Virgin/Premier league) house holds may be more attracted to the Media/Apps/TV/Sports aspects alongside gaming as a more general "family" entertainment device underneath the main TV in the living room. Headline capabilities like Skype for the family, the exercise Kinect based programs demod at the reveal along with selling as an easy way for the family to access TV, Music, video, photos, web, email, skydrive along with the web based versions of word, excel etc could be a big influence. It will be interesting to see how things settle down for Christmas 2014 once hardcore gamers and little timmy wanting a console for his bedroom market hits saturation quite quickly in the first 6 months or so. If MS gets that bit right the market is immense and I suspect MS are playing the long game.
 
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Macro said:
In my opinion (FWIW) I think the MS PR team panicked and knee jerked in an attempt to win back the vocal gamers with a "we take customers and gamers seriously so we've listened to what you said and adjusted our plans". Ironically I think if they had have held their nerve and made a serious attempt to take the lynch mob head on and lay their plans, technology and advantages to the consumer out clearly and comprehensively it may have blown over and people would have come round albeit having taken a hit.
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That wasnt going to happen, by the time they changed their mind the public perception was that the Xbox one would be as popular as flying aids, they were being outsold comprehensively on pre orders everywhere across the world bar a few stores/sites in the US and it was looking very much like it being DOA.

The PS4 was on course to having an unassailable lead in popularity and the Xbox might as well of been rechristened Dreamcast 2.

I personally think they did the right thing and changed certain things, I still think however over the course of this coming generation they are going to be a long, long way behind the PS4 in sales terms across the life of the products.
 
atpbx said:
That wasnt going to happen, by the time they changed their mind the public perception was that the Xbox one would be as popular as flying aids, they were being outsold comprehensively on pre orders everywhere across the world bar a few stores/sites in the US and it was looking very much like it being DOA.

The PS4 was on course to having an unassailable lead in popularity and the Xbox might as well of been rechristened Dreamcast 2.

I personally think they did the right thing and changed certain things, I still think however over the course of this coming generation they are going to be a long, long way behind the PS4 in sales terms across the life of the products.
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Maybe, what I don't know (does anyone have any insight into real numbers?) is what percentage of all up life time sales the initial pre orders make.

Certainly pre orders tend to be from hardcore gamers who are prepared to pay full price to get a new console on day one which sets an important starting point (console, extra controller and a couple of games and you're in for the best part of £500). What I don't know is how those numbers stack up against the purchases for the rest of the life of the device. If pre orders make up 30% of life time sales it's a big deal and something Xbox might not have recovered from, if it's 3% of life time sales it may not be as important as it seems.

Interestingly (and completely anecdotally) I'm seeing more people who are going to buy PS4 on release say they will buy a Xbox One as well later after a price drop than the other way round. Whether that number is significant or not is another matter of course.
 
Divinious said:
I'm trying to think of a use for it in Battlefield but can't really unless it's just a wave your hand to reload type implementation, I'd have thought commander mode would use a tablet style devise like was shown in the Dead Rising 3 E3 trailer at least that would make more sense to me.
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Presumably a Track IR type of device where it tracks your head movements for use in vehicles etc.. ?
 
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