**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

TheVoice said:
The cloud computing idea sounds a bit idealistic to me, to be honest. I can see it proving useful to varying extents, but it's not going to dramatically transform how a game looks or plays. A home internet connection is not something you really want to be relying on in that way, if someone starts downloading or it disconnects, are you suddenly going to lose a variety of visual effects or in-game assets because it can't keep up with the game?

Interested to see where they go with it of course, but I can't help but be reminded of Maxis/EA's claims of SimCity offloading calculations and processing to remote servers, which turned out to be nonsense.
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I never thought about that. Would be a massive turn around for many actually. Most people hated the idea of an always on connection. When it becomes mandatory to get all aspects of a game up and running, well then obviously it becomes a bonus! ....Not :p

Hmm, I expect it could be a case of play the game without a connection and lose some visual benefits.

But yeah, I hadnt thought through the notion entirely, seems a bit of a stretch going on the modern day infrastructure available to have constant cloud processing going on, for every user!! Could you imagine the server load too
 
Personally I think its a great way to kill preowned but to avoid the 'wrath' of the EU. Im not happy about the result, but impressed with how theyve solved it...

Its what was alluded with GameStop supposedly having a partnership exclusivity with MS to sell second-hand games so MS would be the controlling entity in this sub-section of games selling.

Still like to know more about if this spells the end for games rental, again it could be something MS allows by controlling it with specific rental partners...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
So it sounds like with eBay, you'll have to pay £xx to the seller and then £35(?) when you get the disc which you'll need to buy a code for. That's the end of that. :D
 
TheVoice said:
The cloud computing idea sounds a bit idealistic to me, to be honest. I can see it proving useful to varying extents, but it's not going to dramatically transform how a game looks or plays. A home internet connection is not something you really want to be relying on in that way, if someone starts downloading or it disconnects, are you suddenly going to lose a variety of visual effects or in-game assets because it can't keep up with the game?

Interested to see where they go with it of course, but I can't help but be reminded of Maxis/EA's claims of SimCity offloading calculations and processing to remote servers, which turned out to be nonsense.
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I think the difference is likely to be Microsoft already do this on an enterprise scale with Azure allowing companies to extend out of their own datacentre to cloud computing when needed.

From the interview it mentioned the OS will have the logic in it to work out when a connection isn't available, then fall gracefully back and handle it without the game coming to a grinding halt. *shrug*

If the platform is to last 7 years like the last, this could be a really big deal in 4 years time when the in box console hardware is getting a bit of a pasting from new games, in particular with the expansion of good quality internet connections.

I think it's quite exciting to be honest, consoles just fundamentally doing the same thing but faster every few years isn't really interesting any more. If MS have managed to really be imaginative and introduce something in a way that could eventually be as fundamentally game changing as when we first got online multiplayer or live voice comms I'm all for it.

I'm sure there will be problems and I have no idea of the details but it could be one of those things we look back on in 5 years time and wonder how people ever used consoles without the massive processing power the cloud could bring to bare.

Interesting times any which way you look at it.
 
Surely they won't charge full price for the pre-owned fee otherwise whats the point? It'd be cheaper to just buy it new.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the RRP was £59.99 (then most places will offer £10 off to make it look like you're getting a good deal). Sony already has games priced that much on the PS store.
 
Even with those prices it sounds like they are just killing off the pre-owned market. Hopefully Sony don't do the same thing.
 
Murray said:
Surely they won't charge full price for the pre-owned fee otherwise whats the point? It'd be cheaper to just buy it new.
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Thats the whole point, retailers wont have the stomach to sell pre-owned games when the profits they get are the same as new versions of the games (nothing like the obscene profits they make now) and ergo they wont want to buy games from gamers as theyll just needlessly take up floorspace so will value them much less compared to retail prices for new. Gamers wont want to sell their games if they are apparently worthless nor will they want to buy pre-owned games if the cost of the game plus license fee amount to the same as buying it new...

Its a vicious circle leading to killing the pre-owned market - its destructively beautiful and when MS said "We are designing Xbox One to enable customers to trade in and resell games" its not like they arent. The exec that worked that out deserves a massive bonus...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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This could kill off high street retailers as a lot of them make most of the profits from pre owned games. As they are struggling already this could be the final nail in the coffin.

Nice one MS. But tbh I think this will change before launch a bit of controversy gets everyone talking about your device and then change it at the last min to look like Hero's.
 
MOOGLEYS said:
This could kill off high street retailers as a lot of them make most of the profits from pre owned games. As they are struggling already this could be the final nail in the coffin.

Nice one MS. But tbh I think this will change before launch a bit of controversy gets everyone talking about your device and then change it at the last min to look like Hero's.
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Wouldn't be a bad thing. Digital retailers like Steam would then have *no* excuses for charging higher prices than boxed copies.

OK, OK, the publishers will have no excuse (is what I should have said).
 
MOOGLEYS said:
This could kill off high street retailers as a lot of them make most of the profits from pre owned games. As they are struggling already this could be the final nail in the coffin.

Nice one MS. But tbh I think this will change before launch a bit of controversy gets everyone talking about your device and then change it at the last min to look like Hero's.
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Im sorry but retailers got greedy and made it very obvious to publishers and platform owners that rather than skimming from the top they were quite happy to drink the whole bottle when it came to second hand game sales. Obviously this puts consumers in a worse place, but I think retailers needed to be put in their place, they days of old where they made the decisions are long gone...

EDIT: I dont see this as MS targetting consumers, but them targetting retailers purely because of the profits they were making in handling second-hand goods, profits no doubt that publishers were wondering why they werent seeing a slice.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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FoxEye said:
Wouldn't be a bad thing. Digital retailers like Steam would then have *no* excuses for charging higher prices than boxed copies.

OK, OK, the publishers will have no excuse (is what I should have said).
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They don't need an excuse, they'll charge what they want and people will end up paying it. People are told time and time again that Steam is the far more expensive for new/pre-order games compared to GMG etc, but they still buy them from Steam directly.

If either MS or Sony try to destroy the retail of games in physical stores (be it gaming retailers or in general) they'll soon notice a decline in overall sales.
 
I dont like all this microsoft/publishers making money twice malarky.

There arent many other places, if any, where they would be expecting a cut from a second hand sale.

It just doesnt sit right with me.
 
If you pay more than £20 for a game on steam you're doing it wrong - I picked up borderlands 2 for a tenner at the weekend and pretty much my whole steam library is similar deals, all you need is patience
 
macca672 said:
I dont like all this microsoft/publishers making money twice malarky.

There arent many other places, if any, where they would be expecting a cut from a second hand sale.

It just doesnt sit right with me.
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If retail shops are making almost pure profit from the second time they've sold the same game doesn't it seem fair that the developers/publishers should get a share? It doesn't necessarily mean the price goes up, just that retailers profit a little less.
 
macca672 said:
I dont like all this microsoft/publishers making money twice malarky.

There arent many other places, if any, where they would be expecting a cut from a second hand sale.

It just doesnt sit right with me.
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Who would you rather make a cut, the publishers that have helped bring the game out or some third party like Game who have done nothing?
 
I'm happy enough with the pre-owned system if that is indeed how it works. It's the first step in an important journey to digital only, which most people want.
 
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