**XBOX ONE** Official Thread
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Who said I'm not interested in the console?
Decent adult conversation? What's that, only post when you've got something positive to say?
If I'm only posting anti-MS rubbish then explain to me why I have to buy another play and charge kit, an adaptor for my headset, and pay for live to access virtually all the features within the console?
Can't?, didn't think so......
For you these may not be a big deal, but for others it is and more annoyingly it's setting a precedence with other manufacturer's that's it's OK to charge for everything on top of the cost of the console.
Just to make it clear my issue is not with the console, it looks good but with the manufacturer who thinks it's acceptable to nickel and dime their loyal customers.
You surprise easily.
He's not the only one. I was expecting ms to keep pushing all this extras for the extra money it brings in. Hell they've stuck with the aa batteries, forcing most people to spend extra on a play and charge kits or rechargeable batteries. They also only included the headset because a majority wasn't pleased with the decision.
I'll grant you the play and charge kit is a bit expensive but I still prefer it over the non-removable battery option in other controllers.
Changing the connector for voice to something proprietary is a bit naughty but, it's third party licensing and new accessories were the profit is so you can see why they are doing it. I'm sure Turtle beach and others were over the moon because they can shift new units rather than people using existing ones, but they relented and come up with a 'relatively' cheap alternative in the adapter.
As for the Live charges. I personally think they offer reasonable value for money, specially if you look around and find 'em cheaper online. All those back end services cost a lot of money and keeping them running reliably even more. If Live goes down (which it doesn't often) people have a right to complain is PSN goes down or runs slow as dialup with it does a lot, its free so you live with it.
I thought using normal batteries was a positive thing, at least they are readily available if they fail rather than being built-in and hard to replace, potentially throwing a whole pad away. Nobodies forcing anyone to buy their play and charge kit, not that it's expensive anyway. Use your own rechargeables if it bothers you that much, I have 4 Sanyo Eneloops I rotate for my 360 pad on the PC.
And it was always going to be wireless out of the box, to think otherwise is daft. Even the latest iterations of the 360 have it built in.
I'd have much rather seen a rechargeable battery included, even if it means being built-in. My PS4 controller is over 5 years old now and still holds charge fine, compared to my experiences with Play & Charge kit batteries which seem to become quite erratic after a while. My 360 controller seems to chew through AAs too which doesn't really help things.
Read my post. I did say rechargeable batteries or play and charge kit. Use my own rechargeable batteries..... Which is another expense. Yeah the latest slim had Wi Fi built in but it was a more expensive sku than the first ones, they could have easily gone down the same path again.
£20 for a play and charge kits isn't expensive? Surely we could say to ms it wouldn't be expensive to include it, it would be a damn sight cheaper than £20 for them to manufacture it and add it to the sku.
This is what I read: 'The HDMI cable we’re including is an actual Category 2 HDMI cable, rated for 1080P, 3D and 4K, according to the HDMI 1.4 spec.'
Christ, maybe some people should just never buy anything. Moaning that you are given choice and a bit more freedom to do as you please is bizarre.
Special writing on the controller, and a 0-point achievement.
Special writing on the controller, and a 0-point achievement.
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You get a controller with a "Day One Edition" print on it.
DLC for Ryse, Forza and Kinect Sports Rivals
An achievement for 0G - Day one
Think thats it tbh...nothing major
The point is why do we have to buy a new play and charge kit? Why can't we use the one we already brought for the 360? Personally I prefer the battery option but I don't see a reason for why we need to buy another kit.
I don't own shares in Turtle Beach so I don't care how much they make. Again I fail to see any positive reasoning as to why the voice connection has been changed.
This debate has been argued to death, and personally for me both online services work fine. What I do object to is the fact that the TV guide has been put behind the pay wall. This is a major selling point for the console and yet the consumers are expected to pay an annual subscription to be able to access it.
I'm sure to most these points are irrelevant, but personally it irritates me that after all the bad press Microsoft have received lately they are still trying to nickel and dime their loyal customers.
...and (I think) a chromed D-PAD!
Makes it all worth while...hehe.Edz said:
Its proprietary for the same reason Apple make all there connections proprietary, to make money. I imagine they saw that they missed the boat on licensing fee's last time round and thought "Were having some of the that" annoying but just the way it is.
Edz said:
I believe the controller design means the battery pack is better integrated into the pad so the old ones don't fit. Just buy some rechargeable battery's and a charger, cheaper option than the official kit I would think.
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I do appreciate what your saying there. It would make more sense to have those 'connected' feature on silver, it would possible have pull in more subscriptions when people try the service just for that then add in the rest later.
And what a choice it is. Spend money on a play and charge kit or spend money on rechargeable batteries. In this day and age is it too much to ask for an in built rechargeable battery? It would cost like 50p to do. Looks at all the phones, I pads, laptops and other consoles that do it. It's obvious they only left it that way because the charge kits sell well and they make a good profit in them. I can't blame a company for making a profit though. I just think if they can add Wi Fi, then why not a charge kit? I guess the Wi Fi adapter wasn't a goodseller or didn't make a good enough profit.
I'm confused. Didn't they announce that the controller can work with a USB cable and it disabled the wireless radio? If your AA batteries run out then cable the controller until you get new ones or can charge your existing rechargeables in their own charger.
Play and Charge is not necessary. If you don't want to spend money then use a wired controller
Can't blame them for making money on accessories tbh. It has happened with most consoles in the past.
The Play and charges were crap in the 360 era, but maybe they will be better this time round?
Free headset looks much better than the Sony crappy one tbh. If it was genuinely in ear I would prefer the Sony one but it looks like the cheapo ones you used to get with ipods that falls out of your ears!
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Play and Charge is not necessary. If you don't want to spend money then use a wired controller
Can't blame them for making money on accessories tbh. It has happened with most consoles in the past.
The Play and charges were crap in the 360 era, but maybe they will be better this time round?
Free headset looks much better than the Sony crappy one tbh. If it was genuinely in ear I would prefer the Sony one but it looks like the cheapo ones you used to get with ipods that falls out of your ears!
rp2000
Right now, PSN is free and has been as good as Live for as long as I've had it, and thats well over two years now. My only problem with PSN will be when the PS4 is along, it will cost £40/year - and then all my mates will be on live.
Whichever I end up with, I'll end up with a £40/year payment, but I don't agree with how Microsoft are hiding quite a few features and services behind a gold subscription.
But with their similar hardware and same pricing scheme for online, the consoles are going to be seperated by accessories and software - with us deciding what of those we want most. A few games I want are Xbox One only, and the rest are for both. So it's starting to lure me in..
add: The controllers will work with usb, so you don't even need any batteries in them. It will then send all of the information through the USB cable, shutting off the wireless signal. One of the main things I want is the play and charge, the last ones weren't great, but the new ones are meant to use a Lithium Ion cell, so hopefully they won't be on charge all the time.
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While I won't make a final choice on which preorder to keep until after Gamescon I'm am certainly lending heavily towards Xbox. There is only one exclusive I want to play on PS4 and I can play that on PC. All the launch window exclusives I want to use are Xbox and the rest cross platform.
...or have the option of having to buy a whole new pad, or source a replacement battery and fit it yourself to keep your pad working and wireless. It might not have happened to you, but it does happen. I had an original PS3 pad pre-rumble which conked out and wouldn't charge, but played fine with the USB lead. A replacement pad was around £30.
With the 360 however, I bought a set of 4 quality AAs and a quick charger for less than £10, and they are still going several years on with no major drop in performance, plus I can use them in other things if I need to.
Personally, for me, having "normal" batteries is just better and more convenient.
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I do. You've made 13 posts in this thread and not a single one has been positive. No comments about games you're looking forward to, or features you think are positive. Just continual moaning.
No, it means simply not posting only rubbish, like you've been doing.
I don't even know where to begin with this. It's quite obvious why MS charge for things like Play and Charge kits - it's something every console developer does. Why don't they let me use my old controller? Why couldn't I use my original Xbox controller on the 360? Why can't I use my DS3 on the PS4? It's because all companies are in the business of making money. You may not like it, but that's the way it is.
Regarding the Play and Charge kit specifically, it's obviously a design decision MS have taken. They feel having a battery pack locked into the controller, like the DS4, is a bad idea. So, you're left with having to buy AA batteries, buying some rechargeable ones, or buying the Play and Charge kit. They're not forcing you into buying their peripherals, you have options.
As for paying for Live to access certain features, that's the only part I agree with you on. I think it's a poor decision to hide some of the cool features behind a paywall. However, I understand how MS will see it. They have to provide the infrastructure for all these cool features to work, and they will likely say that if you want to access them, you should contribute towards that infrastructure with your Live subscription. It's worked well for them in the past. Whatever your personal experience of Xbox Live and PSN, it's fairly obvious that the vast majority of people think XBL has been the better and more robust online service, and that has (partly) been because we had to pay for it.
I just did.
Setting a precedent? Did you really just say that? Yes, because no company ever charges you for additional accessories you may want to use your console. Nothing that MS are charging for is an essential. You don't need a Play and Charge kit. You can use the bundled headset instead of a more expensive one. You don't need to pay for Live to play games. If you want to do more, you pay for it. Sony and Nintendo do the exact same thing, and have been doing for years. Nothing MS are doing here is new, so I don't see why you're suggesting they are.