Xbox Scorpio
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Different generation of CPU surely?
I know the CPU in the PS4 Pro is just an overclocked PS4 cpu, not sure why MS would be using this fancy cooling solution for a 4 year old CPU (albeit overclocked)
http://wccftech.com/xbox-scorpio-wont-feature-jaguar-cpu-likely-might-features-planned-ryzen/
This would make more sense imo
You do realise that article was written on 26th jan
they are not using RYZEN cpu just a heavily modified Jaguar cpu.http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-project-scorpio-tech-revealed
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Its just a refined version of the OG jaguar CPU. Running at 2.3ghz compared to PS4 Pro's 2.1ghz. The GPU is basically the same (but even more refined/modified) and running at 1172mhz vs the Pro's 911mhz, it also has 4 more CU's (40 CU's vs the Pro's 36 CU's).
So you see, MS has managed to squeeze a hell of a lot more speed out of the minimal hardware improvements. Coupled with the extra bandwidth for the memory it makes this even better at running 4K games. They don't really need a better CPU because the GPU/memory bandwidth will do the 4K heavy lifting.
Better CPU's will come next gen and enable all sorts of better features (like AI, physics and NPCs on screen etc etc) but because games on the Pro and Scorpio still need to have equality with the PS4 and Xbone a Ryzen CPU would be underused/not needed (would've been nice though).
£400 is the max i would go, plus the fact i can sell my One S to go towards it so it's would be more like £250-£300 in the end
The specs are quite underwhelming compared to the hype surrounding it, unless you have a 4K TV you're unlikely to see any improvement over PS4 Pro. From what I've read all of the extra GPU grunt will be used for super sampling anti-aliasing at 1080P and the Jaguar CPU is a massive bottleneck regardless of clockspeed, it would have been a lot more promising had it packed a Ryzen CPU. I suppose it's still a bit of an improvement for Xbox owners since Xbox One has often struggled to reach 1080P.
Sony fan? Bit of an improvement is an understatement.
Compared to what? like I said the GPU is a lot better than Xbox One but if it's still using a Jaguar CPU then it's going to remain largely bottlenecked by the CPU, the 8 core Jaguar is overall about as fast as a dual core Pentium or i3 that's how slow the cores are. The majority of the extra horsepower is GPU side to enable higher resolutions without the GPU bottlenecking.
It's being branded as a new generation but in reality it's not a great deal better than PS4 Pro, 30% I think they have said and that is mostly GPU side.
Like I said if it turns out to be using a Ryzen processor then I would consider it to be next gen but the AMD Jaguar has always been terrible and I said the same thing with PS4 Pro, PS4 and Xbox One.
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Have you read any of the Digital Foundry articles on Scorpio, mmj_uk? You seem to be out of date with your info. It's certainly not going to be using Ryzen. MS have designed the whole architecture around the games themselves. Specifically to eliminate bottlenecks.
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which is going to be completely irrelevant for new releases (not that it matters given MS seem to not really give a **** about getting new games on the platform), its all well and good showing Forza in 4k with all the settings on max but until we see other games more demanding and less optimised running its impossible to claim bottlenecks are a thing of the past.
so many people here have bought into the hype machine already and not a single performance test has been shown running, and all based on what is a massive PR piece by DF which uses massive generalisations on actually really important issues to do with hardware.
Right so no games but omg its powerful so instabuy = the logic of so many on here. WTF
Not necessarily. Remember all the games have to run on the Xbox One, too. MS have said that any game that runs at 1080p (and maybe even 900p) will run at 4K on Scorpio.
Where do you get " MS has managed to squeeze a hell of a lot more speed out of minimul hardware improvements " from?
You say yourself that there is a 10% improvement on ghz and roughly 10% more CU's - yes the even more refined GPU, your words, has a 25% bump but as you would expect from a refining process surely?
Given the "exotic" cooling solution that a few preview articles have mentioned a healthy speed bump in all areas should be expected on a 4 year old CPU / GPU
Given that the Pro cost £350, and allowing for everything else internally to cost the same between the scorpio and the Pro, unless you expect MS to not charge for the refining process and the additional 4k player (compared to the pro) surely it has to be more like £450 +
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I will laugh so hard if to save money they drop the 4k drive. But as above its not going to be cheap.
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Any ideas of a date yet for a nice 4K demo video to drop?
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I'd probably guess at E3.
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Errm, I get it from the fact they have. Well, more than Sony with the Pro anyway to say they only added 4 more CU's. Nearly 2TFs more power from 4 CUs and a clock bump on CPU/GPU (and yes a more mature arch) isn't bad, that's more than or equal to the power of the PS4. Just my opinion, I think they did well with the given hardware.
I've never owned an Xbox, always playstation (have the pro at the minute) but will definitely be buying a Scorpio. It probably will be £450+ but what I mean is they don't have to charge that to break even if they don't want to given the way they have gone with the hardware. If they want to be aggressive they will take a hit to gain back market share.
Just my opinion as I say and in no way fact lol.
I've read it but I keep seeing articles about how Scorpio is next gen unlike PS4 Pro which makes no sense if it still uses the same 8 core AMD Jaguar as a CPU.
Eliminate bottlenecks how? the most significant architectural difference appears to be removing the ESRAM and basically copying the PS4's architecture.
The biggest bottleneck of them all this generation is the Jaguar CPU with it's tiny cores. To put things into perspective the Jaguar CPU in PS4 is 1.6Ghz and PS4 Pro is 2.15ghz, so it's about the same percentage improvement between Xbox One and Scorpio which is 1.75 ghz to 2.3ghz... but with boost mode enabled on PS4 Pro the improvement is nothing to really shout about in most cases even though the GPU is FAR superior, I know a lot of games have locked frame rates but even with those that don't it's not like you suddenly go from 30fp to 60fps whereas you'd probably go to 90fps+ with a 2.3ghz Ryzen which would be truly next gen.
There's a lot of talk about Scorpio being next gen but on paper looks to be basically a 4K edition of Xbox One, they'll be able to ramp up the resolution without performance hit because the system is so heavily CPU bottlenecked.
Yet another 'no games' line. Where has this even come from? The Xbox One (and Scorpio) has, and will have, plenty of games.
People will buy this for the exact same reason people bought the PS4 Pro, to play the many games available in the best graphical fidelity & res possible.
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