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What a bafflingly immature and hypocritical attitude.
But why? Would you expect the same if Sony had purchased them instead? The only way to play these on another console will be via a browser using XCloud and Game Pass. The 23 Xbox Game Studios will be smashing out content for Game Pass.
Bethesda will not be released onto competing platforms unless its via Game Pass. Microsoft would have just paid for time exclusivity which would have been much cheaper than buying them outright.
Probably not, but then that's sort of the point because MS have demonstrated several times over the past few years that they aren't entirely obsessed with making games exclusive to their console. They've improved their offering on PC, and have continued to support other games such as Minecraft on other platforms including the PS4.
It may well be that they hope the appeal of such a large catalogue of future titles will be enough to bring people over to Xbox/Gamepass, but they'll also be well aware that a key reason Bethesda is such a valuable acquisition is because of their continued support on other platforms including PlayStation. The value of Gamepass mostly speaks for itself, but they'll still make games available to buy individually for those that prefer that.
Ooh, that's a good one to try. I think it's on Game Pass, too.
Thanks for your valuable input there. Would you like to expand on why you feel the need to say that? Given that Sony make their exclusives, why shouldn't Microsoft do the same just because they've now bought out a studio that has historically made games for all platforms? I want the Xbox to flourish and thrive for a change. Buying Bethesda and making game releases exclusive will only help with that. I'm not quite sure what's so baffling and immature about that.
The whining about Sony fanboys then coming across as an Xbox one, for a start.
The Microsoft ecosystem is all that matters that includes Xbox,PC and Xcloud now. PC/Xbox is the same in Microsofts eyes, they want to be the Netflix of gaming and they will also make sure physical copies of games are still available for those that want them.
Growing Game Pass subs is all that matters now and trying to get the service or Xcloud onto as many platforms as possible. They are currently working out a new way to get them working on IOS using some sort of browser to stream the games.
It's been confirmed Sony were trying to buy exclusivity for Bethesda's main upcoming games whether this was for a year or full no one knows. Which would have locked the games to PlayStation and possibly delayed the PC releases. Unfortunately the gaming sector is going to go through a time of consolidation and mergers over the next few years due to all the competing subscription services.
Sony have done their fair share of buying exclusives or timed exclusives, Xbox has been the underdog which has prompted Microsoft to join in with throwing money around ********. This will only get worse over the years as Nadella and Phil Spencer have already said they see Google/Amazon and Apple as their main competitors due to the cloud infrastructure and competing subscription platforms.
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Sony started this nonsense. Now their followers can’t handle that Microsoft have fought back. The whole thing is ridiculous and terrible for the consumer, but the obsessives can’t see this.
You sound like a salty Sony fanboy to be honest. There wasn't any whining about Sony fanboys in my post. I made a point about how PS players are always going on about how superior their exclusives are, and now when Microsoft pull something pretty big by buying out Bethesda, they're all going nuts because the games might be exclusive to Xbox. That's hypocrisy tbh.
Exactly this! No one says a word when Sony is money-hatting games constantly, they get away with it being the market leader. Just like they didn't want to make games cross play but they got forced by Nintendo,Xbox and PC using cross play between their platforms.
Shady anti consumer practices are horrible unless it benefits Sony's walled garden.
Be careful, apparently saying stuff against Sony automatically makes you an epic Xbox fanboy of the highest order!
They both have, it's a tried and tested tactic and neither of them are shy about it e.g. GTA4 DLC back on the 360, the first two of the Tomb Raider reboots etc. I think it's rather different though when it's new IP that's made exclusive vs sequels or substantial DLC to existing multi-platform franchises, and that's where I imagine some of the frustration of an entire studio acquisition comes from. If MS intend to make Bethesda titles entirely exclusive to their platforms they're going to have had to factor in the cost of that.
Without looking at numbers though it certainly feels like the past generation or so has seen less exclusives than previous generations, so it'll be interesting to see if this next gen sees a shift the other way again now that subscription models are the flavour of the week. I do wonder how much longevity they really have though, if they're offering such brilliant value to the consumer then someone must be losing out somewhere.
Microsoft didn't spend £7.5 Billion to let their main competitor have a slice of the profits, this is about growing game pass into the top gaming platform, but as a side bonus a lot of Sony fans will buy an xbox purely for ES6, it has such a following.
I don't think Sony would allow a game pass app on their console but could you image the irony in using the PS5 browser to access game pass (that's the only way I can see it coming to ps5)
I don't think Sony would allow a game pass app on their console but could you image the irony in using the PS5 browser to access game pass (that's the only way I can see it coming to ps5)
People bang on about the purchase of Bethesda as if it was some huge drain and the money was spent. The reality is that it's actually far cheaper to buy the developer than to pay for a stream of exclusive titles. The money Microsoft has invested in Bethesda is not lost, it is purely a balance sheet asset converted from cash to equity in a third party. They could very easilly convert it back to cash at any point if they decided to then sell on those developers (assuming they have maintained their capital value).
Just to reiterate, Microsoft haven't spent £7.5Bn ion the sense that you buy a loaf of bread........they have merely converted it into an asset in another company.
Just to reiterate, Microsoft haven't spent £7.5Bn ion the sense that you buy a loaf of bread........they have merely converted it into an asset in another company.
It really sucks as it's been said for those who can't or wont pay for two platforms which is understandable. Don't get me wrong, I have enjoyed many Sony exclusives over the years but to suggest that any reasonable person wouldn't want others to enjoy them on their chosen platform is beyond logical.
The cost is getting Monthly Active Users into the Microsoft ecosystem. They don't expect to make the money back as in investment terms, its an expenditure to get people interested and locked into their services. That what the investors are looking at and unfortunately subs are going to be the main driving force in the gaming market over the coming decades.
Currently there's 15million Game pass subs, even if a lot of them got cheap deals or converted gold you could argue that's bringing in $100m a month. There are rumours that they are actually nearer to 20m subs, end of next year pushing 30m subs. When all the cheap converted deals end that would be looking like $300m a month on subs. Then all the DLC, physical editions, collectors editions etc on top of that.
They could have offered Bethesda half the dev costs to make the games timed on Xbox/PC for a year which would have been a fraction of the cost. Instead they spent 7+ billion to get the games onto their services exclusively to entice people to sub and to create content for their service.
Currently there's 15million Game pass subs, even if a lot of them got cheap deals or converted gold you could argue that's bringing in $100m a month. There are rumours that they are actually nearer to 20m subs, end of next year pushing 30m subs. When all the cheap converted deals end that would be looking like $300m a month on subs. Then all the DLC, physical editions, collectors editions etc on top of that.
They could have offered Bethesda half the dev costs to make the games timed on Xbox/PC for a year which would have been a fraction of the cost. Instead they spent 7+ billion to get the games onto their services exclusively to entice people to sub and to create content for their service.
Amazing.
And yet your actual words were:
That's not really a rational attitude to have and it smacks of fanboyism far more than anything I've said so far. You don't have a horse in this race, so why does it matter to you whether a game is or isn't available on a platform you evidently aren't buying?
But yet, for many years that's what Xbox users have had to deal with and Sony fanboys rub it in at every chance they get. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, all of a sudden what's good for the goose isn't for the gander eh? Prior to the acquisition of Bethesda, the fanboys were harping on about how the Xbox Series X and S are rubbish with no exclusives and that the PlayStation is a far superior console just for that, and now faced with the prospect of losing some big titles, they're crying. It's hilarious, yet I'm a hypocrite for saying I want Microsoft to succeed given that the value in the Xbox is far greater for us as consumers with Game Pass, backward compatibility, support for existing peripherals, PC cross-platform saves and game access to name a few.