Poll: *** Xbox Series X|S - General Discussion Thread ***

Which will you buy?

  • Series X

    Votes: 534 59.5%

  • Series S

    Votes: 105 11.7%

  • Not interested

    Votes: 234 26.1%

  • Both

    Votes: 25 2.8%
  • Total voters
    898
n111ck said:
If even a fraction of this is true...

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Rumor - Timdog: Call of Duty Games may not be coming to Game Pass. Microsoft likely going full digital with ads on Game Pass.

Tim has heard that Call of Duty may not be coming to game pass. Hardware sales have not met the projected sales and the CFO got spooked. In the last three months of last year, they had consoles for $350 and no one cared. Xbox One was more wanted than Series consoles. They said the hardware is...
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  • Tim has heard that Call of Duty may not be coming to game pass.
  • Hardware sales have not met the projected sales and the CFO got spooked.
  • In the last three months of last year, they had consoles for $350 and no one cared.
  • Xbox One was more wanted than Series consoles.
  • They said the hardware is dead, and they are seeing declines in hardware year over year.
  • Game pass is unsustainable; the market they have is not enough to offset the cost.
  • Tim heard from someone at Microsoft that you may not like Xbox when they get Activision. They want ROI.
  • He heard that Xbox has an insane showcase with tons of games, but everyone is going to be saying asterisks.
  • The leaks happened because a Microsoft employee who didn't want this to happen leaked it, so there would be a public outcry.
  • Microsoft now has no problem buying more companies in the future if all games go to all platforms.
  • Tim thinks they will go all-digital, with ads on game pass :cry: (pre-roll or at the end of a chapter e.g. Like a Dragon) and AI community managers.

Proper slap in the face for the die hard Xbox fanboys.. lol
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Oh no. This isn't good. We can't have sony running unchecked in the console market.

Didn't the leaks have gamepass as a financial failure or on the line, due to the cost of adding games to gamepass.

Seems like they hedged their bets very heavily on starfield and the ROI has caused them to panic.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Didn't the leaks have gamepass as a financial failure or on the line, due to the cost of adding games to gamepass.
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I don't know about unprofitable, but there has definitely been reporting of the flat-lining of growth in Game Pass. Probably because Xbox hardware drives the sheer majority of subscribers.

There was also that leak from the FTC about MS wanting 100m subscribers by 2027 and Geoff Grubb has talked a number of times about budgets for Game Pass and what they pay developers being cut back. There was also a developer that did a comment somewhere outlining how when it comes to Xbox you wait for MS to offer the Game Pass deal otherwise the financials don't make that version viable. I think this a smaller/medium sized viewpoint rather than a major AAA-publisher.
 
I thought growth had flatlined, but gamepass was still making a load of cash?

I’m hoping CoD comes to gamepass. I’m undecided whether to renew later in the year. Still finding games to play on it, albeit fewer these days. I’m also becoming reluctant to buy any on XSX with the future of Xbox up in the air.

Ultimately I’ll likely go PC and PS and ditch Xbox. That said, competition is only good for us.
 
I wouldn’t have ever got game pass without the conversion deal. I imagine that’s why it flatlined. The only way I’d pay the going rate for gamepass was if every game came on there on day one.

Other than that I will buy and sell games few the small amount of gaming I do.
 
Big mistake thinking Bethesda and Blizzard were going to take the XBOX to the promised land they've both been garbage for years, it's like buying busing Messi and Ronaldo at 35 and expecting them to play like 25 year old Messi and Ronaldo.

Look at Starfield and D4 - absolute garbage. ES VI? - it's gonna be dog**** - we all know it. I think a lot of people have long since wanted WOW2 - and they should have made it years ago, it's too late now, Blizz couldn't make that game, because exactly like Bethesda - all the talent has long since left the building.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
I thought growth had flatlined, but gamepass was still making a load of cash?
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I'm sure it is profitable for them, but given how secretive this industry is we don't really know. And I think they have said that it's additional revenue that's not harmful to their other means of making revenue, i.e. Xbox users still buys games and DLC. They don't all buy GP instead of new games.

The real payday for the likes of Apple, Valve and Sony is the 30% (or similar) cut they make on every digital transactions. It's virtually pure profit as there are so few costs associated with those. With Game Pass there are payments to publishers that will be quite sizeable costs. And as Game Pass growth has stopped (because of the limited number of Xbox users) then it's fairly believable Microsoft won't be investing as much into these deals (again there are multiple sources for this so I do think this is happening).
 
Ms is probably going to follow Sonys lead and release their big titles on other platforms much later after their release on their console.

Its not a new strat.
 
I love game pass but that’s cause I keep sub going via key sites so it’s cheap and it allows myself and son to use it thanks to its sharing method

That being said all Microsoft had to do to stay in the game and keep game pass going is release new IP and quality first party titles they haven’t done this since 360 days

Gears and Forza and even halo do not shift consoles anymore. They don’t take risks in that sense I mean could you see Microsoft doing returnal or ghost of Tishima or last of us series? I couldnt

They have all the studios and haven’t really delivered anything

I have a series s and it’s a fab bit of kit but never felt an x was needed.

PS5/PC is mostly where I game and S is just a game pass box.

I think that may of hurt Microsoft. Two consoles out with different specs is great for the consumer but I’m not sure it’s great for them, the s outsells the x and from a dev perspective I can’t imagine they will ever push the x due to the s spec being different
 
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Timber said:
It is if they put them on PlayStation.

How do Zelda, or Uncharted play on Xbox?
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Windows is the biggest platform of MS and PlayStation the biggest for Sony.

I'd be more surprised if they released at the same time but a couple years later on the worlds biggest dedicated gaming platform like Sony do probably makes sense.
 
kitch9 said:
Windows is the biggest platform of MS and PlayStation the biggest for Sony.

I'd be more surprised if they released at the same time but a couple years later on the worlds biggest dedicated gaming platform like Sony do probably makes sense.
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I do think it probably makes sense for Microsoft to fully go multi-platform third-party. And I suspect is the outcome whether they really choose that strategy or the market made the decision for them.

And ironically even on Windows very few are playing games via their Windows store. It's on Steam.
 
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Mark1989 said:
Gears and Forza and even halo do not shift consoles anymore. They don’t take risks in that sense I mean could you see Microsoft doing returnal or ghost of Tishima or last of us series? I couldnt

They have all the studios and haven’t really delivered anything
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Yeah, these types are what have been missing from Xbox over the years, everything with promise has released either buggy, lacking content, poor graphically, general polish.

Look at Recent games like Redfall, Forza 8, and Starfield. Forza looked like a half arsed attempt after all the buildup. It felt half finished missing so much content.

I don’t understand how the more powerful console on paper can’t produce a high quality game both in graphics and content, like the games you mentioned. Especially with how many studios they have.
It feels like all the Xbox exclusives have needed loads of patches to improve them , where as Sony titles release in polished state and don’t need update after update.

What amazes me is some people still stick up for them, sure it’s all personal taste in games you enjoy, but there is no denying games like Last of Us, Ghost of Tshisma, Horizon games are such technical marvels in gameplay, graphically, and a polished state at release.
I still enjoy my Xbox and PS5 equally though, it’s just I feel more confident in ps5 exclusive releases.
 
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beachBOYken said:
Yeah, these types are what have been missing from Xbox over the years, everything with promise has released either buggy, lacking content, poor graphically, general polish.

Look at Recent games like Redfall, Forza 8, and Starfield. Forza looked like a half arsed attempt after all the buildup. It felt half finished missing so much content.

I don’t understand how the more powerful console on paper can’t produce a high quality game both in graphics and content, like the games you mentioned. Especially with how many studios they have.
It feels like all the Xbox exclusives have needed loads of patches to improve them , where as Sony titles release in polished state and don’t need update after update.
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Xbox have let their IPs wither on the vine over the last 10+ years. The lack of any decent 1st party games since then just smacks of utter incompetence. Imo, Xbox should be more "hands on" with their studios and provide strong guidance on the types of game and qualiity they desire. Sony does this, and it doesn't stifle creativity. Also, I 100% disagree with Phil Spencer's viewpoint that producing strong 1st party exclusives wouldn't enable them to compete with Sony. In his opinion, Xbox "lost the last generation and can't recover". Well, tell that to Nintendo who had to start from scratch with the Switch since hardly anyone bought the Wii U ( except me ! ), and here they are now with multiple exclusives eg. TotK, BotW, Super Mario Bros Wonder etc, 140 million consoles sold and over 1.2 billion games sold. Either Phil knows **** all, or MSFT had already decided to pivot toward being a multi-plat publisher years ago , but didn't want to admit this publically for fear of torpedoing the Xbox platform prematurely.
 
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xaldub said:
Xbox have let their IPs wither on the vine over the last 10+ years. The lack of any decent 1st party games since then just smacks of utter incompetence. Imo, Xbox should be more "hands on" with their studios and provide strong guidance on the types of game and qualiity they desire. Sony does this, and it doesn't stifle creativity. Also, I 100% disagree with Phil Spencer's viewpoint that producing strong 1st party exclusives wouldn't enable them to compete with Sony. In his opinion, Xbox "lost the last generation and can't recover". Well, tell that to Nintendo who had to start from scratch with the Switch since hardly anyone bought the Wii U ( except me ! ), and here they are now with multiple exclusives eg. TotK, BotW, Super Mario Bros Wonder etc, 140 million consoles sold and over 1.2 billion games sold. Either Phil knows **** all, or MSFT had already decided to pivot toward being a multi-plat publisher years ago , but didn't want to admit this publically for fear of torpedoing the Xbox platform prematurely.
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The Wii U was so badly marketed though. Had it been given a name that separated it from the Wii it would have done much better. I don't think people at the time understood what it was properly. I bought one at the time and still use it now. The fact that they had to re-release games on the Switch as they didn't sell many copies on the Wii U. Has meant the Switch easily became a money maker. Most people missed all those games first time. They are still making so much money off Mario Kart 8 it's no wonder they never did a sequel on Switch.

I had every version of Xbox but have so far skipped the Series, mainly for the lack of decent games I couldn't play elsewhere. The ones I have wanted are available on PC. There are so many IPs that were great back on previous generations that they could have brought back but they've failed majorly. It's just becoming sequels and remakes/remasters. At least Sony and Nintendo have been making good new games.
 
steve5424 said:
The Wii U was so badly marketed though. Had it been given a name that separated it from the Wii it would have done much better. I don't think people at the time understood what it was properly. I bought one at the time and still use it now. The fact that they had to re-release games on the Switch as they didn't sell many copies on the Wii U. Has meant the Switch easily became a money maker. Most people missed all those games first time. They are still making so much money off Mario Kart 8 it's no wonder they never did a sequel on Switch.

I had every version of Xbox but have so far skipped the Series, mainly for the lack of decent games I couldn't play elsewhere. The ones I have wanted are available on PC. There are so many IPs that were great back on previous generations that they could have brought back but they've failed majorly. It's just becoming sequels and remakes/remasters. At least Sony and Nintendo have been making good new games.
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I dunno, Sony have their share of remasters as well. Plus Nintendo seem to make you pay for their old catalogue.

But, yes, Xbox I agree has been pretty dire at releasing new IP's over the last three years of the Series consoles existence.

Halo Infinite, flopped. Redfall dire.

Lets hope they see sense and walk back on releasing that new Indiana Jones game on PS5...
 
I must say, I've had a PS5 since Christmas and the multi plats I've played look noticeably better on the Xbox yet the 1st party stuff looks insane on the PS5.

Warzone at 120hz looks much better on the Xbox, pretty blurry on Ps5 was surprised.
 
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I've ended up with both Sony and Microsoft consoles during each generation (eventually) but I'm increasingly starting to think of jumping ship to a PS5. I know the debate has raged on about physical vs digital etc. but I still like having a collection, something I own which they appear to be simply killing now.

The number of titles I appear to be able to buy physical on PS5 has skyrocketed this last year or so, usually cheaper than digital too unless they're codes grabbed in sales. I want to be able to go back to titles a few years later and play though them - huge games that are a mess initially like cyberpunk aside, there are those that are fine from day one and could be played for a lifetime after. There are a number of 360 titles that just aren't available now because of licensing expirations etc meaning even if I own them, I can't pull them down again.

I wish general controller support was available for every game on Steam/GOG as I'd be heading exclusively in that direction if it were, just love the convenience of the home consoles.

I've seen Microsoft on the cusp of REALLY screwing up a few times, I feel like this could honestly be make or break for them.
 
Honestly don't blame you at this point. Announcements are allegedly starting this evening via a special edition of the Xbox podcast 8PM GMT.

It's looking like something is going on multiplatform wise as with things that have previously been exclusive e.g. hifi rush, but given the acquisitions is no huge surprise some previously exclusive titles will be shared around. Nintendo have a reveal around the same time tonight too so it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I can see Sony and Nintendo really taking advantage of the physical market if Xbox go digital only.
 
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