Yet another gender-swapped remake incoming - Cliffhanger!

Smokey Deza · 13 May 2019 at 18:15

Nitefly said:
Does it matter if it’s a man or a woman?

Yes it's stupid. As if some chick has the phsyical prowess to pull the same stunts Stallone was doing.

Nitefly · 13 May 2019 at 18:22

Smokey Deza said:
Yes it's stupid. As if some chick has the phsyical prowess to pull the same stunts Stallone was doing.

I’ve seen a girl do repeated pull ups (not chin ups) with her fingers, so there’s plenty of scope for some awesome stunting!

VincentHanna · 13 May 2019 at 18:48

Smokey Deza said:
Yes it's stupid. As if some chick has the phsyical prowess to pull the same stunts Stallone was doing.

As if Stallone did most of the climbing stunts. He was too afraid to film with live bats so they had to be added with early special effects afterwards.

Grandmaster Fap! · 13 May 2019 at 18:55

Its a tsunami of remakes and usually with women, this whole gender swap thing has ruined these films, as they arent concerned with making a good film but making some sort of PC statement.

Oh and yeah, they remade this... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7634968/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Rofflay · 13 May 2019 at 19:52

They went too far they gender and race swapped at the same time. I would love to hear a drunk Mel Gibson on the subject.

ianh · 13 May 2019 at 20:17

Grandmaster Fap! said:
Oh and yeah, they remade this... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7634968/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

My problem with that particular film is they didn't understand what made the first one so good which, amongst things like great writing, charismatic actors etc was "why" he chose to change his attitude towards women by the end. However -

Original - They establish him to be a self obsessed sexist pig for the first 1/3 of the movie and make him even worse in the middle 1/3 when he initially gains his power as he only uses it for his own sexist needs like more power over women at work, get more women into bed etc, and then over the last 1/3 of the movie he finally learns to empathise with women, to understand them and himself better and becomes a better person for it.

Reboot - They establish her to be a self obsessed ball buster for the first 1/3 of the movie and make her even worse in the middle 1/3 when she initially gains her power as she only uses it for her own sexist needs like more power over men at work, get more men into bed etc, and then over the last 1/3 of the movie............nothing changes. She still feels no more empathy for men than she had at the start, she is unchanged by the experience and yet she still gets a "happy ending" in both her business and personal life which she hasn't earned...............and yes I watched it, as I really like the actress.

jpaul · 13 May 2019 at 21:39

The new one (if imdb is correct) is a a 20M$ B/cheap movie with no mark actors (and maybe script writers) .. it's not staffed for success vs 70M$ original
if the the studios invested more money they could have understood the originals formula ... I think we maybe missing something about the evolution of the
movie market - they(the investors ... the british tax payer!) have become more risk averse, relying on simultaneous media releases and clever multi-platform advertising strategies the gullible public miss, quantity rather than quality.

cheesyboy · 13 May 2019 at 21:55

jpaul said:
The new one (if imdb is correct) is a a 20M$ B/cheap movie with no mark actors (and maybe script writers) .. it's not staffed for success vs 70M$ original
if the the studios invested more money they could have understood the originals formula ... I think we maybe missing something about the evolution of the
movie market - they(the investors ... the british tax payer!) have become more risk averse, relying on simultaneous media releases and clever multi-platform advertising strategies the gullible public miss, quantity rather than quality.

I also think we're forgetting how tough it is to make money on these mid budget movies now. No mistake, that film was a big success.

cheesyboy · 14 May 2019 at 00:20

Grandmaster Fap! said:
Its a tsunami of remakes and usually with women

I bet gender switch remakes/reboots/sequels are not even 20% of remakes over the past 5 years.

jpaul · 14 May 2019 at 11:55

cheesyboy said:
that film was a big success

(sorry) - the original yes ?
I'm not sure why these mid budgets exist ? even if there's negiligble margin, ok it keeps people in employment, and keeps cinemas profitable.

VincentHanna said:
As if Stallone did most of the climbing stunts

twas the great yan gullich before he was tragically killed in a car accident.

Nitefly said:
I’ve seen a girl do repeated pull ups

like Lynn Hill, in her day .. the nose in 24hours
- I would say climbing, ironically, has greater performance equilibrium between the sexes than a lot of sports ... technique, and power to weight, count.

cheesyboy · 14 May 2019 at 12:15

jpaul said:
(sorry) - the original yes ?

No, the remake. $70m box office on $20m production.

ianh · 14 May 2019 at 13:33

cheesyboy said:
No, the remake. $70m box office on $20m production.

I think your use of "big" might be the cause for confusion. Making $30-40m after production and marketing is definitely successful but I wouldn't consider that to be a "big" success at all, where as say these following films are what most people (myself included) would consider to be "big" successes for small budget films - "The Conjuring", which made $318m on it's $20m budget, "Slumdog Millionaire" which made $377m on a budget of $15m or "The Kings Speech" which made $414m on a budget of $15m for example.

So really it's a just a simple definition issue on what different folks think could be considered to be a "big" success for a film.