YouFibre
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, bit annoying but 'oh well'!
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We switched last year, was a bit of a faff getting the install sorted as required the council to do some work on the road to add a pipe I think due to the way our road was setup, but eventually sorted and got a couple of months free and then a couple of quid off, just went for the 500 package in the end, coming from 30-50 still a huge stepup. Overall been very happy, the odd loss of connection but nothing serious and will definitely be happy to go with them again when we next move house!
All installed, top job by the tech. I've switched over to my x86 OPNsense box, set up IPv6 and pulled the static IPv4 allocation (after an ONT reboot), and we're away.
That'll do pig, that'll do.
The downstream does do the full 2 gig, but I have a lot of clients connected atm.
That'll do pig, that'll do.
The downstream does do the full 2 gig, but I have a lot of clients connected atm.
Currently on BT 900 and my contract expires in a few months. We can get YouFibre round here and their 1000 up/down package sounds appealing (faster upload and cheaper). I would need a static IP to avoid CGNAT. I run pfsense virtualised - does anyone on here do similar (or baremetal pfSense at least)? Sounds like they require a fixed MAC address, some people online saying they needed to phone them up, others saying it updates automatically after a while.
Does anyone have pictures of their install of the fibre and ONT. All of my network equipment is currently in the same room that my OpenReach fibre goes into (within the walls from when our house was built), along with the ONT. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't route their fibre to the same place as it'd require quite a bit of work in my house to get there (neatly at least). Thinking I could get them to bring it in at the front of the house and then I could run my own ethernet from there...
Does anyone have pictures of their install of the fibre and ONT. All of my network equipment is currently in the same room that my OpenReach fibre goes into (within the walls from when our house was built), along with the ONT. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't route their fibre to the same place as it'd require quite a bit of work in my house to get there (neatly at least). Thinking I could get them to bring it in at the front of the house and then I could run my own ethernet from there...
Your post is a bit ambiguous. What's in the walls of your house? My Netomnia/YouFibre ONT is right next to my Openreach one. I run OPNsense (so basically the same) bare metal. I just unplugged their router, plugged in mine and rebooted the ONT. I got a CGNAT address for a few minutes, but by the time I'd set up the rest of the config it refreshed to my static IP, no need to spoof MACs or call them.
Annoyingly, they don't email you the static IP allocation, and OPNsense pulled a random IP from the /56 to use on LAN. I used a subnet calculator to find the first IP (i.e.
2001:etc:etc::1 rather than the 2001:etc:etc:etc:etc:etc:etc:etc address it pulled automatically). Now I have the neater short IP ending in ::1 as the LAN interface IP, and DHCPv6 running on LAN to serve addresses on a /64 from ::2000 to ::ffff. I use the ::1 as the router/DNS address, then ::2 to ::1999 range as static allocation.Edit: BTW, the IPv4 on WAN shows as a /28, but alas it is only a /32 (I tried the rest of the range using 1:1 NAT
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Your post is a bit ambiguous. What's in the walls of your house? My Netomnia/YouFibre ONT is right next to my Openreach one. I run OPNsense (so basically the same) bare metal. I just unplugged their router, plugged in mine and rebooted the ONT. I got a CGNAT address for a few minutes, but by the time I'd set up the rest of the config it refreshed to my static IP, no need to spoof MACs or call them.
Annoyingly, they don't email you the static IP allocation, and OPNsense pulled a random IP from the /56 to use on LAN. I used a subnet calculator to find the first IP (i.e.2001:etc:etc::1rather than the2001:etc:etc:etc:etc:etc:etc:etcaddress it pulled automatically). Now I have the neater short IP ending in::1as the LAN interface IP, and DHCPv6 running on LAN to serve addresses on a /64 from::2000to::ffff. I use the::1as the router/DNS address, then::2to::1999range as static allocation.
Edit: BTW, the IPv4 on WAN shows as a /28, but alas it is only a /32 (I tried the rest of the range using 1:1 NAT
Sorry, I wrote it in a rush before tea time. When I say in the walls, I mean the Openreach fibre is routed from outside then within the internal walls of my property to my understairs cupboard, which is where all of my network equipment is housed. It was installed as part of the original build (I bought it as a new build in 2015) so everything is nice and hidden/concealed. I'm not sure if they would have used conduit but I doubt it and I suspect Youfibre wouldn't be allowed to use it anyway as the optical terminating box that connects to the Openreach ONT in my understairs cupboard is technically part of their network/equipment. The main thing putting me off Youfibre is having to have visible cables/fibre routed around my skirting etc. Yes, I can use trunking to improve asthetics but I think the only option will be for the ONT to be right next to the front door/entrace to my house. I live in a relatively small 3 bed-semi and space is limited.
Good to know you have ipv6 setup as that's something I also have working flawlessly on pfSense with my BT connection. I run pfSense virtualised in a Proxmox cluster (with High Availability configured) but I think that should be fine as the VM keeps the same MAC address, so even though it would switch to a different physical NIC, I'm guessing it would be ok but not 100% sure.
It sounds like I should be able to get everything configured and working how I have it now with a bit of re-configuration, which I'm ok with. What I need to weigh up is the additional eyesore vs additional upload speed (and the cost saving!).
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Honestly? All day, every day - and twice on Sundays. My latency to London has gone down from 10-12ms (Openreach) to 2ms(!), bufferbloat rating is A without any shaper/SQM/tweaks, and it's just so snappy and immediate. Then you remember you have 2 gigs each way... I wish I'd switched last year.
Code:
$ ping -c 4 -i 0.5 dns.quad9.net
PING dns.quad9.net (9.9.9.9): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 9.9.9.9: icmp_seq=0 ttl=59 time=2.094 ms
64 bytes from 9.9.9.9: icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=2.284 ms
64 bytes from 9.9.9.9: icmp_seq=2 ttl=59 time=2.028 ms
64 bytes from 9.9.9.9: icmp_seq=3 ttl=59 time=2.132 ms
--- dns.quad9.net ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 2.028/2.135/2.284/0.094 ms
$ ping6 -c 4 -i 0.5 dns.controld.com
PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) xxxx:xxxx:xxxx::10 --> 2606:1a40::22
16 bytes from 2606:1a40::22, icmp_seq=0 hlim=58 time=3.050 ms
16 bytes from 2606:1a40::22, icmp_seq=1 hlim=58 time=2.732 ms
16 bytes from 2606:1a40::22, icmp_seq=2 hlim=58 time=2.936 ms
16 bytes from 2606:1a40::22, icmp_seq=3 hlim=58 time=2.863 ms
--- dns.controld.com ping6 statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 2.732/2.895/3.050/0.115 ms
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You must be hitting anycast targets, 2ms from London to Liverpool and back is too low. Even Vodafone's carrier network can only get between Manchester and London in around 6ms. The final two hops on a traceroute to your second target look like this for me:
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13 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms controld-edge1-lhr.anycast.net [2a00:dd80:3a::a48]
14 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms freedns.controld.com [2606:1a40::22]
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Yeah you're right, I followed up with traceroute6 and see the same. Regardless, I've never seen pings below 8 on Openreach to any destination, so this is a significant improvement.
It likely depends on what your previous ISP using Openreach were doing, the Openreach involvement ends as soon as your FTTP connection gets to a fibre handover point. If your provider had presence in that exchange and built out a network in Manchester then you'd have seen the same sort of pings. Lots of ISPs will take backhaul from someone like TalkTalk to link the handover point back to their own network in a London datacentre, and then all your traffic is going down to London before it goes anywhere else and you'll see it reflected in the first hop time.
I am close to London and ping 2-3ms to London targets on EE (Openreach), for example.
I am close to London and ping 2-3ms to London targets on EE (Openreach), for example.
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I moved from TalkTalk to Youfibre a couple of weeks ago, never had an issue with TalkTalk changed to get the Fibre 900 account for £30 a month in the Black Friday sales they had on. Used a referral from a friend and got a couple of neighbours. Neighbour is going for the 8000 package will be interesting to see how he gets on with it.
Youfibre also paid my early exit contract fees from TalkTalk they will cover up to £300 if you want to switch early
One thing I did not expect was web browsing is a little snappier. I'm in central Scotland Youfibre have a peering link in Edinburgh which Cloudflare also share I'm getting 5-6ms quicker to cloudflare DNS, can't recall ping times for the other main sites. I never paid attention to TalkTalk routing before they closed the account but I expect they were going to Manchester or London
Youfibre also paid my early exit contract fees from TalkTalk they will cover up to £300 if you want to switch early
One thing I did not expect was web browsing is a little snappier. I'm in central Scotland Youfibre have a peering link in Edinburgh which Cloudflare also share I'm getting 5-6ms quicker to cloudflare DNS, can't recall ping times for the other main sites. I never paid attention to TalkTalk routing before they closed the account but I expect they were going to Manchester or London
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All set up now. WiFi speeds on Sky and Youfibre: https://imgur.com/a/1S5HGUu
Probably move back, tbh. Martin/Aquiss were flawless for me, it's a real old fashioned decent ISP and it's nice to be able to speak directly to someone who can sort issues, and knows their onions. YouFibre don't have an online account portal (yet), don't send details of the (paid) static IP allocations, little things. On the converse, YouFibre are part of Netomnia, so you are dealing direct if something goes wrong. I don't think they wholesale out their network anyway, but it's an interesting thought.
Is anyone else able to ping 8.8.8.8 on their YouFibre connection.
My switch has an internet light that pings Google and I noticed it was off, I have internet fine and I reach cloudflare no issues but googles dns - not liking it.
My switch has an internet light that pings Google and I noticed it was off, I have internet fine and I reach cloudflare no issues but googles dns - not liking it.
No issues here bud.
Code:
$ ping -c 4 -i 0.5 8.8.8.8
PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=118 time=7.33 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=118 time=7.02 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=118 time=7.36 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=4 ttl=118 time=7.30 ms
--- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 1503ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 7.022/7.251/7.361/0.134 msTry a traceroute?
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What is it like when your contract is up? Do they offer a good deal? Or do you have to threaten cancellation like with virgin media? I have the arras router so I should get an upgrade if I change from 150Mb to 2000Mb. Is there any advantage of getting an expensive Asus wifi router (BE98)? I take it my motherboard's 5Gb lan port won't be a limiting factor.