Apple vs Samsung, court orders Samsung to show Apple 5 new phones

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The Netherlands judge had banned the sale of the Galxaxy S, Galaxy S2 and Ace as of the 13th of October :mad: Not sure if thats for the whole of Europe (which i doubt)

Also states that patents have been infringed on the Galaxy Tabs, but no confirmation as to whether these will be banned as well.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/24/netherlands-judge-rules-that-samsung-galaxy-s-s-ii-violate-appl/

It might be EU wide. Even if it only applies to Holland it will have a huge impact as Rotterdam is the gateway to Europe- and that is why Apple filed this in Holland.
Things could get VERY costly for Samsung and other Android handset makers if this continues.
 
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The Netherlands judge had banned the sale of the Galxaxy S, Galaxy S2 and Ace as of the 13th of October :mad: Not sure if thats for the whole of Europe (which i doubt)

Also states that patents have been infringed on the Galaxy Tabs, but no confirmation as to whether these will be banned as well.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/24/netherlands-judge-rules-that-samsung-galaxy-s-s-ii-violate-appl/

Some dutch people have jumped on Engadget for being sensationalist with their translation, posts such as:

Don't be fooled by the headline! This verdict is a huge victory for Samsung!

Most of apple's claims were dismissed, including all the ridiculous design patents.
Samsung will release a small software update which will fix the patent infringement on which the sales ban is based.
It is Apple's position that is now severely weakened.

Seems Samsung are gradually clawing things back. Apparently the only patent infringement that wasn't thrown out of court was the way in which galleries scroll. Interesting as that's actually a Android feature, not a Samsung specific element.
 
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Some dutch people have jumped on Engadget for being sensationalist with their translation, posts such as:



Seems Samsung are gradually clawing things back. Apparently the only patent infringement that wasn't thrown out of court was the way in which galleries scroll. Interesting as that's actually a Android feature, not a Samsung specific element.

My apologies, when I found the report there was very few comments at the time. So basically when Samsung release this software fix its business as usual?
 
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"Breaking news from my swamp home country The Netherlands: the Dutch court has just banned the sales of all Galaxy S, SII and Ace smartphones in the entire European Union. The judge has ruled that Android 2.x violates Apple's 868 patent which covers scrolling through photos on a touchscreen. Only this one patent is violated - the complaints about two other patents as well as the design patents has been thrown out. In other words, the judge did not agree with Apple that Samsung is copying Apple's design. The injunction only covers the Galaxy smartphones, since they run Android 2.x; Android 3.0 does not violate the patent in question, and hence, sales of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 can continue. In fact, only the Gallery application violates the patent in question, and Samsung has already stated it is going to replace this application on all new Galaxy smartphones from now on - sales won't even be interrupted. In other words - two patents thrown out, design stuff rejected, and only one patent complaint upheld which will cause no harm to Samsung. Apple just scored a meaningless victory. The Dutch court order is here. The pictures speak thousands of words.

Apple filed for an injunction in The Netherlands against two companies Samsung has legally seated here which take care of the distribution of Samsung's devices in Europe (due to the port of Rotterdam). Apple entered into battle with three patents and a community design, and all but one patent has been thrown out by the judge.

All the design-related stuff has been thrown out by the judge, meaning he does not agree with Apple that Samsung copied Apple. In addition, two of the three patents have been thrown out by the judge as well; he does not believe either Android 2.x, Android 3.x, or any of Samsung's additions violate these two patents.

The swipe-to-unlock patent is interesting, since the judge states that it is very likely that in a 'bottom procedure' (a thorough court case where all details are taken into account), this patent will be declared invalid. He specifically refers to the Neonode N1m mobile phone as prior art, which sports the exact same unlock method as the iPhone. The Neonode was released in 2005.

Regarding the design related stuff - the Community Designs - of the iPad, the judge threw it all out, citing loads of prior art (like the Compaq TC1x00). In addition, the judge stated that only the front of the device shows some resemblance, while everything else is entirely different. The Kinght Ridder is also cited as relevant prior art - the judge threw out Apple's defense that the product never made it to market. To round it out, the judge also mentioned 'form-follows-function' several times. Most interesting note: the judge specifically mentions that by having such a minimalist design, the iPad basically makes itself less viable for design protection.

Regarding the design of the Galaxy smartphones, the judge again cites numerous cases of prior 'art', including the LG Prada. The judge threw out all of Apple's claims here. Finally, the Android GUI - the Nokia 7710 is cited numerous times as prior art.

The only infringement claim upheld by the judge concerns patent 2.058.868, which covers scrolling through a collection of photos in full screen, and more specifically, how the photo bounces back after too short a swipe (or whatever - I have a life, I'm not reading the entire damn thing). The Gallery application on Samsung's Android 2.x devices infringes on this patent, and as such, the injunction against the Galaxy S, SII and Ace was granted. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 was exempt, since it runs Android 3.0, which does not infringe on the patent, the judge said.

Samsung has already stated this ruling is pretty much meaningless, since the company is going to replace the Gallery application on all Galaxy smartphones right away. The injunction won't go into effect until mid-October, so they've got more than enough time to change the software. "The injunction has been granted due to the method of scrolling in the Gallery. If that's replaced, there is no more reason to uphold the injunction," states Bas Berghuis van Woortman, Samsung's lawyer. In fact, the judge states in his court order that he has taken the ease with which Samsung can circumvent this patent into account in his ruling.

So, this is pretty much a meaningless victory for Apple, which is great news for not just European consumers, but also for competition in general. Apple's preference for competing against Android in the courtroom and for purposefully hurting consumers has been halted today, and that makes me very happy. On top of that, this ruling provides Samsung with ample ammunition for Thursday's hearing in Germany"

In your face Apple!!
 
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Reading through the points, this comes across as a stinking big loss to Apple actually, small undated to the Gallery, the Tab isnt affected, so its business as usual for Samsung actually.

Unless im missing a point they cant correct from a software update.
 
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A patent on scrolling, really? They give out patents like candy these days, they've lost all credibility.

Meh, the design one was the main one that was ridiculous, and that's been thrown out, the gallery one is atleast somewhat reasonable (and only came into play due to the patents on the design that Apple had, they wouldn't have went to court over the gallery sliding) as it's a "feature" rather than the design where it's essentially forced due to the shape of the screen/no need for many/any buttons (since it's only the front of the phones/tablet that the judge said looked similar).

Reading through the points, this comes across as a stinking big loss to Apple actually, small undated to the Gallery, the Tab isnt affected, so its business as usual for Samsung actually.

Unless im missing a point they cant correct from a software update.

Yep, it's a win for Samsung.

The gallery change, whilst annoying, isn't something that will be too costly since they'll be able to sell a lot of current stock before mid-October and they'll just be able to flash everything made from now with the new (non-patent-infringing) firmware.

There'll only be a small amount of handsets currently with shops/networks that can't be sold before the deadline that have to be recalled and reflashed.
 
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Excellent - although in truth, the entire thing should have been chucked out. How many different ways can you scroll through photos on a smartphone screen FFS?

Either way, a timely reminder to Steve Jobs that he ISN'T the new messiah and that whilst he might be the first to get a product to market, he cannot stifle competition indefinitely. I used to be a massive fan of Apple, but now I detect a kind of elitism about them and their products that I want no part of.

So glad I decided on a Galaxy S at upgrade time - I work with a bunch of Apple fanboys and there is something refreshing about being the 'black sheep' of the group. Particularly when we were trying to get a QR code to work the other day - was fine on my SGS, but refused to work on some of the iPhone 4's :p
 
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