2007 Japanese GP - Race 15/17

Whatever the verdict from Webber's hissy fit, at least it might alert Lewis that his 'Schumacher-esque' driving in certain situations is something he might want to tone down a touch.

Personally I think his antics with Alonso during the first safety car period were more questionable.
 
Read on another forum the RULES state 5 car distance under safety car and hell most of them hardly keep 1 car distance and specially under those condisitons
So could do him for eratic driving but then theres nothing for that in the rules as its Racing lol, vittel even said it was his fault so someone needs to slap the whining aussie :p
My guess is its another Ferrari trick seeing as its their engine in the toro rosso and its the team making the claim, load of bull really.
 
Thought both occasions of Hamilton behind the safety car were eratic and not very well handled. Think Brundle commented on it at one point.

Its just as Vettel said. He was looking at Hamilton going very wide as if he were retiring. By the time he looked ahead of himself, Webber has braked to stop himself overtaking Hamilton.

IMO, it looked like Hamilton was doing something untowards - especially when he had Alonso behind him.
 
Fireskull said:
Read on another forum the RULES state 5 car distance under safety car and hell most of them hardly keep 1 car distance and specially under those condisitons
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I thought it was that the leader had to stay within 5 car lengths of the safety car :confused:
I'm sure that's what Martin Brundle said during the Jap GP.

[Edit] Just read through that autosport link posted a little further up heres a quote from it:
"Article 40.10 of the F1 Sporting Regulations states: "The safety car shall be used at least until the leader is behind it and all remaining cars are lined up behind him. Once behind the safety car, the race leader must keep within 5 car lengths of it."

Anyone got a link to the youtube vid? can't see it in the autosport article, just the name Youtube italicised.
 
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Yeah, I thought it was everyone has to stay within 5 car lengths of each other? Although it was early morning and I was more interested in drinking more coffee than the safety car train...
 
lightbulb said:
I thought it was that the leader had to stay within 5 car lengths of the safety car :confused:
I'm sure that's what Martin Brundle said during the Jap GP.
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Was reading some guys post on another forum some have asked for link to the rules so ill post if he links it.
Some other guys said that there is audio on videos of hamilton actually asking the team to tell webber to stop being so close behind him apparently asked this 7 times before the accident, so dunno if that is true if so will be a factor in him getting off specially as vittel has said its his fault just need the aussie to own up to his own crap driving.
Im not trying to say what hamilton did was really bright but this is racing and racing in the top form and if you cant handle it dont race, and expecially dont drive so close to him lol same goes for the road, you dont follow someone closely who is breaking like a gimp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0sQ...own.com/forums/showthread.php?t=357828&page=2

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Hamilton had braked hard but he was also very very wide lol so anyone with a brain would have gone on the inside to avoid collision.
 
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I assume it is the same situation as on the normal road, the car behind has to keep enough distance to allow him/her to brake in time to avoid a collision.

There have been other cases of drivers giving the driver behind a brake test which isn't illegal so how should this be illegal?
 
Get it while its hot kids!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeOklNLuUoU

Can't see it lasting long ;)

Looks to me like Vettel took his eye off the ball and hit Weber. Trying to blame Lewis is daft, he's accelerating and braking to keep temperatures up (just as everyone else is) except this time Weber is a bit close and/or doesn't realise what Lewis is doing, brakes hard to not pass him (which i can't see being a problem if he doesn't maintain the position) and Vettel rear ends him. What are the stewards looking at?!? :confused:
 
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Get it while its hot kids!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeOklNLuUoU
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Lol after watching that how the hell is that hamiltons fault, as surely just going past him dosent get a penalty? seen people go past the leader then settle back behind plenty of times, watching that theyre all stupidly close for those conditions and the speeds.
 
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Well if they were being very pedantic they could say that Lewis was more than 5 car lengths behind, but its difficult to prove, he firstly slowed to avoid overtaking the safety car
 
if he does get docked points or grid places, im sure mclaren are going through every piece of safety car footage from any previous race, to see if its gone on before for comparisons.
 
He's going to get docked grid places isnt he, otherwise he might win the championship.

Its blatantly obvious that the accident was caused by vettel and weber was being an idiot
 
After watching that video at least half a dozen times all I can see is a racing incident in poor weather conditions. Hamilton made an obvious error by going too quickly through the right hander, he dived to the outside of the left hander to get the speed down. Webber should have kept his speed up on the racing line of the left hander to keep ahead of Vettel and let Hamilton retake his place in the queue.

EDIT: I suppose the above depends on how you define "no overtaking behind the safety car". If Lewis spun then you'd expect him to rejoin at the rear of the snake so there is a question mark over what a driver should do if they make a minor mistake in the snake.
 
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No overtaking = not pass the car in front :confused:

Or am I missing something obvious, that to me says it is not allowed to go in front of the car in front of you so it could be argued that there was a reason that Webber slowed down hard.
 
But if Hamilton genuinely had a problem on that corner none of this would be a problem, something out of nothing to screw over mclaren again, and yes and no to overtaking yes his car would have gone past him but not to steal a place or gain advantage it would have only been for 2 seconds if that.
 
when the stewards look at it right, which stewards are they? are they the same for each race? i thought stewards were for the track that the race was on.
 
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