Metacritic has it at 79% but the two sources I take the most interest in are games(tm) which game it 6/10 and Edge which also gave it 6/10 and said "It’s worth experiencing for the artistry in its visual flair, excellent cutscenes and one or two inspired directional moments, but as a game? The previous generation God Of War has the definite edge."
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Metacritic has it at 79% but the two sources I take the most interest in are games(tm) which game it 6/10 and Edge which also gave it 6/10 and said "It’s worth experiencing for the artistry in its visual flair, excellent cutscenes and one or two inspired directional moments, but as a game? The previous generation God Of War has the definite edge."
Don't forget though, GoW arrived very late into the PS2's life and really pushed things.
I read the 6/10 reviews and was instantly put off from Heavenly Sword, I rented it thinking if it really was that bad i'd send it back for something else the next day, but I was plesantly shocked, once I started playing I couldn't put it down, really did enjoy it.
I wouldn't like to compare it to GoW, GoW is one of those special gem's that appear only every so often, however HS deserves a higher score than 6/10 imo.
? Realism is a pretty broad term, its hardly been done? Im looking forward to Turismo 5 a lot more than i was Project Gotham, the first 3 were jokes! 4 is midely ok though the handling system is still pants! Weather was ok tho lol
Yes pretty broad, as fine you knew when you could not answer what it brought new to the genre. The PGR series never attempted to offer a realistic driving game, so not sure why you think they are the same?
See the multiple realistic sims on PC, if someone wants realism then a console is not the place to get it really.
... blasphemy! you might hate it but its CLASS! Best next gen fighting adventure out there!
i dare you to even come up with something as close! But you cant
Ninja Gaiden is better for this generation. God of War for last generation.
Dell 2405 via Component
Toshiba 32WLT66 via Component & HDMI
Sony KDEP42XS1 via Component
I've tried it on all of those and it doesn't hide what's an overrated under-delivering visual experience.
Graphically the cut-scenes are 10/10, but gameplay I'd give it 6/10.
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Where did this argument come from?
2 Driving games, he is looking forward to Gran Turismo more than PGR. You ask him why, He says realism, You say PGR was never about realism....
Did you ever think that could be why he's looking forward to Gran Turismo more??
IMO, the PS3 was launched too early.
By that, I know it was a year late, but it wasn't finished yet when it was released. It should've come with Firmware 2 to start with, a DS3, and Home.
I'm sure they intended to have more features initially, such as the upscaler for example, but they needed to get something out the door and selling, before the Xbox got any further ahead in sales. Although a lot of people in a forum such as this may own both, most people I'm sure would pick one, and stick with it. That one being the XBOX360 for it's first year or whatever, as it was all that was there.
That being the case, is why it's often said that this and that feature are coming, they are, we know they are, better late than never.
With Home, I do believe that this will sort out these online facilities that people are complaining about. People who've posted of late that they want to sell their PS3, as the XMB is crap, are really missing the big picture, imo.
I was quite annoyed when I first played a DVD on mine, and I couldn't find the upscaler. Thankfully, there is one now, and it was worth the wait.
Same with the online stuff.
Interesting what Nokkon wrote there about Home and game integration.
My own assumption, without any information, just totally me thinking about it, was that Home would load in from the XMB. When you load a game, Home would unload, to clear memory for the game to run, and then you'd load home again when you quit. If you launch a game from Home, ie you and some mates meet up in Home, and launch a game together, I imagine home would enter a kind of hibernate mode, like on the PC, where the state is saved to the HDD. The game is loaded, the 3D interface is of course dropped, but you continue to have comms with each other via more conventional means (ie text/voice - but not the 3D home interface) and when you quit the game, it reloads the state from the hibernation file, and you're back in the room where you started, with your mates.
Instead of thinking about Home like a kind of second life, I've been looking at it more like a chat system. You can meet mates and chat with them, like you would with MSN, except you have 3D avatars, and can walk around various stores together... media sharing is done by visiting each others virtual flat, and for example, if we all came back to my place, I play an MP3 from my PS3 HDD, and it's streamed to the other people in my room. Same with video, internet connection allowing, I play a video in my virtual flat, and everybody else can watch with me. It's a great chat, and media sharing system, with an easy to use 3D interface. You don't have to know much about how the system works, just recognise how to walk into a room, and turn on the stereo, rather than search folders for mp3s.
I guess too, that a load of us, could meet up in OCUK land in Home, and all walk into the 3D Motorstorm lobby, click play, and home disappears, and Motorstorm loads. I'm not sure how we'd access our friends list then. Maybe without the 3D aspect of home loaded, you get a basic chat system you can access from in game with the PS button. Maybe new games will be designed with Home in mind, or current games patched, so the lobby works with Home.
I'm certainly looking forward to that. I have been since before I bought my PS3. Yep, it's been delayed an delayed, and I'm almost 100% positive that when it does launch, it won't be finished. Features will be forthcoming, and besides, I guess new features will always be added anyway, from user feedback, the same way the XMB has had some updates requested by users... but this whole in-game access to your friends list, I honestly think they haven't added it, simply because, Home will take care of it, they just didn't expect it to be delayed this much. They know people want the feature, but why take the time to add it to the old XMB, when it's coming with Home anyway. I hope it comes soon, the social nature of being able to walk around and chat to your mates, and listen to music together, even if your mates are in different countries, really appeals to me. Sure, I could do that from the PC already, but relaxing, chatting to mates on the sofa, in that manner seems a pretty cool feature to me.
But yes, after my long ramble, I'm sure that when you enter a retail game, home will have to close, as looking at it, graphically, that's gunna take up a hefty amount of resources, that you'd want dedicated to your retail game, until you quit, free up the ram, and load Home again.... they just need to leave access to the messenging system available.
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Not that late as it had time to get a sequel in
.It's not just for it's style of graphics, or gameplay, but the direction of God of War is at another level too. In fact, I would say absolutely every single element is better on God of War which is why GoW is one of my very favourite games ever.
On the topic of anyone thinking I'm saying this for a 'shock factor' or any other reason, someone like Inoshishi will tell you otherwise as I was talking to him about it over a month ago on MSN and I said the same thing then.
Eh? another case of you not reading again?
I asked him what GT5 brings new, he said realism (which from the demo is lies), which has been done already many times, he then suggested PGR series as a reason to suggest realism has not been done, but that series has never been realistic or attempted to be.
Please try to read, tiring having to spell it out for you.
lol I'm sorry, I had to quote that, I'm not sure if anybody else will get the irony.
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But what does the game having something new have to do with him wanting it more than PGR? Thats what i'm saying.
You asked what it had new, he said realism, Maybe its not new to the genre, but its his reason for wanting the game isnt it? Not enough for you?
I asked him what it brought new to the genre, he said realism, what part do you not understand?
I am not debating why he is looking forward to it.
No, I wasn't suggesting your ignorance had anything to do with the graphics in Bioshock.
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I completely agree with everything you've said there, I've said in the past that I feel the PS3 was released 12 months too late and 12 months too early at the same time, which isn't a great position to be in. It will get there and we know the updates are coming, but for me they aren't arriving quick enough, because, as you said, where we are now in terms of firmware and controllers is where the PS3 should have been a year ago. What we have now is a good starting point.
On the topic of HOME, that's the impression I got, HOME would be launched from XMB (which it will be), and close when launching a game from a lobby in HOME, this is where I am under the impression certain aspects of HOME remain such as voice chat and messaging (perhaps a smaller, more memory manageable section of it will launch). But then I was expecting for when the game is closed you would return to HOME where you came from, but we were told this isn't the case. When you quit you go back to the XMB where you must completely re-launch HOME. I hope this is one of the possible changes as it seems a bit daft to quit from 2 applications when you quit a game (the game and HOME) to have to re-open one of them (HOME) and then add a further game.
The possibilities are very large in HOME, and I really hope it lives up to what I believe it can.
Well again, my own thoughts would be, if you launch a single player game from the XMB, or Home, maybe it would drop you back to the XMB, and you can load Home again... maybe it saves your position... whereas if you're in a room with a bunch of mates, and launch a game together, it would make more sense to be dropped back where you started, so you and your mates are all back in the same room, to either discuss the game you just had, or go launch another game... or whatever you want to do. Would be pretty crappy if you all met up, chose a game, played, and then quit back to the XMB.
Then again, if you launch a single player game from Home, you'd want to drop back to where you started, not the XMB.
Right, yeah... I also hope they take this on board, and let you quit back to home. Even though, as we've speculated, Home would have to close to free up memory, it could auto open when you quit, and load a savestate, dropping you back to where you started.
If that makes sense.
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Only two points that I am interested in replying to tbh, as the rest has been said before and is your personal opinion (as you stated).
Virtua Fighter is not a highly rated beat em up by purists (imo). Do you play many beat em ups yourself? Tekken has evolved at each generation and taken good elements from other games and maintained an amazing sense of balance to a veteran player. I sense arcades around the world are anxiously awaiting the next installment of Tekken and SF (both games that only have incremental changes per release, bar graphics)VF5/DOA4(both from the same mold in my opinion) are a button bashers dream with their limited buttons and bad balance between characters, extra options do not make a great beat em-up nor does excessive complexuty. Again, if you play beat em ups much as a genre I could respect your opinion more, but as your opinions seem to state, you look more for graphics, models, texture resolutions and elements that YOU think would be good in agame design (Things that aren't relevant or prevalent in the beat em up genre (the prettiest beat em-ups tend to be failures in terms of gameplay and balance). The xbox 360 fails as a console for beat em-ups (it is not worth me listing why unless you wish, it should be fairly obvious to someone who owns both consoles as to why).
90% of people DO NOT CARE about those points you have bought up. End of. If you think your view on this is reflective of other general gamers, I think you will conede, after some thought, they are not. As you have studied games deisgn/graphics it is not surprising though, as you will look for stuff others don't give a flying hoot about.
Warhawk is not a competitor to Battlefield. It is a 20 pound downlaodable game that is ONLINE ONLY. I have never seen you online in this game and would question how many online hours you have racked up to validate your statements. Whilst I agree that it works better without sixaxis, I challenge anyone to play with the sticks and beat me playing with the sixaxis. Again, if you had played this game extensively then I would respect your stance on it more, but I suspect you haven't.
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This implies you have played Uncharted yourself to compare to your 360 version of COD4. Do you own/have played this Uncharted game in person? (simple question, just I thought you didn't own the game yet, yet have made a point that impolies you have played it, to some degree.).NokkonWud said:
But a lot of 360 owners complain that ps3 doesn't support VGA. VGA is used by people with pc monitors in their room mainly (I would assume). Can't have it both ways surely? If they were using big nice HDTVs in their living room surely they could use Component or HDMI? Moot point but just one I thought I would mention. Or maybe they have nice HDTVs and were forced to HAVE to use VGA to get 1080P as Microsoft did not deem it necessary to release HDMI? None of us know the breakdown of how many people use VGA or HDMI, but I would hazrd that it is very close these days as all TVs seem to come with it and a lot of PC monitors too!, in fact I reckon more people would prefer to use HDMI for it's simplicity and support of the correct aspect ratios of modern TVs, but they call me "Dr Watson" so I can only suggest a hypothesis, on this particular point. Is your own xbox 360 setup in your living room or in your bedroom by the way?Mr Men said:
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I saw this after composing my reply. What annoys me is that the thread was about some guy's xmas pressie (not sure as it is so far back now!!) Annoys me more that most people who think they have a balanced view only own one of the 2 consoles (I tend to lean more weight on opinions of people who own both or have formally owned both, flawed in some ways, but valid in my mind). Now you see why I felt the need to clarify some rules in my last thread, to avoid this). As a general rule I ty to keep out of these threads, but this one has gone so far off topic....LadIEs
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Who complains about it and where?
I have a xbox in the living room on a SDTV and one in my room on the PC monitor
Who complains about it and where?
I have a xbox in the living room on a SDTV and one in my room on the PC monitor
Cheers for answeing so fast!!!
If you read above in this thread you will find the answer to your first question (you know your mate you like to use as an example of ps3's reliablility?)
I had one more question, a bit more flippant without a doubt, I asked it in another thread which you ignored. It was regarding your age, and has no relevance to this thread,(but neitehr do most comments after page 2!!)
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