Have you ever pirated anything?

Dolph · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:27

Tefal said:
generally the first link in the chain is a legal copy, for most cracks the groups has bought the game, most torrents, and streams are from some one who has ripped a dvd, it just like one copy being sold on several thousand times.

That comparison doesn't work, because you're actually creating additional copies, whereas a second hand product being sold on can only be used by one person at a time. The supply/demand curve is totally different.

Tefal · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:28

monkeyspank said:
I have one, at work
I wouldn't have requested it if I hadn't got familiar with it first.

i mean private individuals not companies.

Isn't the new one £2000 or something like that?

Tefal · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:29

tomanders91 said:
my vista 64 ultimate thinks its on dell machine

have you updated to sp1 yet?

tomanders91 · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:29

Tefal said:
have you updated to sp1 yet?

well i have all the updates if thats what you mean?

Margaret · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:30

Tefal said:
have you updated to sp1 yet?

I have, aside from the Watermark on the desktop it's fine, but that will be removed when the proper release of SP1 is complete.

Tefal · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:30

tomanders91 said:
well i have all the updates if thats what you mean?

no have you dl'ed and installed service pack 1.

SexyGreyFox · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:30

Tefal said:
I'[d be interested in how many people on this forum own a legal copy of photoshop, bet its lees than the fingers on your hand.

Didn't Adobe actually say something about this along the lines of : 'We don't care about the normal user but we care about the company's who steal it' or something similar?

Macro · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:31

Tefal said:
yes it does, if I buy a dvd from my mate 2 people see the film only 1 pays if Ithen sell it on 3 people see it only 1 pays if the next guys sells it on...etc .

You're missing the point, there is still only one physical copy of that product and it has been sold to you (and priced accordingly) on the understanding that you are permitted to sell it on.

When you sell it on you lose the right to keep a copy and play/use the product itself and so it still only has one person using it. Selling it on second hand is no different to watching a DVD with 3 mates. All three have seen it but only one person at a time owns it and they have paid for it.

Tefal · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:31

Jihad said:
I have, aside from the Watermark on the desktop it's fine, but that will be removed when the proper release of SP1 is complete.

interesting the press releases stated that sp1 removed the bios crack/dell crack.

tomanders91 · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:31

Tefal said:
no have you dl'ed and installed service pack 1.

no i dont think so.

Tefal · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:32

Athanor said:
You're missing the point, there is still only one physical copy of that product and it has been sold to you (and priced accordingly) on the understanding that you are permitted to sell it on.

When you sell it on you lose the right to keep a copy and play/use the product itself and so it still only has one person using it. Selling it on second hand is no different to watching a DVD with 3 mates. All three have seen it but only one person at a time owns it and they have paid for it.

watching a dvd with 3 mates is a public showing and illegal.

Margaret · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:33

Tefal said:
interesting the press releases stated that sp1 removed the bios crack/dell crack.

Hmm nah mine still shows DELL, not heard of anybody else having issues either.

But mine is obviously a legal version.

SimonC · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:35

Jihad said:
Exactly, now I never nick stuff in real life, but downloading is another story, it just does not feel like you're doing anything wrong or that you're harming anybody/their feelings.

Edited

Macro · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:36

Tefal said:
watching a dvd with 3 mates is a public showing and illegal.

Sorry I disagree:

Showing a DVD or video to a group of people outside of the home is legally regarded as a public showing, and is therefore in breach of copyright for items purchased or hired for domestic use.

So watching a DVD at home with 3 mates is perfectly legal

Tefal · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:36

SimonC said:
Thats were your wrong, can I avert your attention to [/url]

Those poor, poor people.

you reeeeeealy want to delete that link mate or else its a holiday for you.

Margaret · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:37

Athanor said:
Incorrect:

Showing a DVD or video to a group of people outside of the home is legally regarded as a public showing, and is therefore in breach of copyright for items purchased or hired for domestic use

Damn me and my college class must have been breaking the law, we're such rebels!

Tefal · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:37

Athanor said:
Incorrect:

Showing a DVD or video to a group of people outside of the home is legally regarded as a public showing, and is therefore in breach of copyright for items purchased or hired for domestic use

outside your own home or anyone's home?

is taking round to your mates illegal, or declaring a moive theatre your place of residence legal?

Raikiri · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:38

dmpoole said:
Didn't Adobe actually say something about this along the lines of : 'We don't care about the normal user but we care about the company's who steal it' or something similar?

I believe so, they obviously understand that the normal person can't afford to go out and spend £500+ on a single piece of software unless it's being used in a business capacity.

But then you could always go out and buy Elements 6 for £50-60.

Fire Wizard · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:38

tomanders91 said:
no i dont think so.

Hello tomanders91, just be aware that the Windows Vista Service Pack 1 that is available is only a Realise Candidate and not the Final Release, so you could experience some problems if you install it.

Margaret · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:38

Fire Wizard said:
Hello tomanders91, just be aware that the Windows Vista Service Pack 1 that is available is only a Realise Candidate and not the Final Release, so you could experience some problems if you install it.

Off topic but do you work for Microsoft? I've always wondered.