ASDA Parent & Child parking - fine for misuse
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Car seats in a nutshell.
Parents don't have to shop with their children, they do so because they are actively encouraged by marketing. The sooner parents realise that this convenient "shortcut" to their life - that "don't have to go to swings AND can do shopping in the same time" is in fact really stupid and sloppy way to raise their kids and in process annoys people around them who have no time to waste on someone else's kids blocking isles and throwing stuff of the till belt the sooner we can all get on with our lives and regain "balance to the force".
In fact, its not just FOX thats going to get a shock come Calf time. Of course people will do what they want with thier child 
thats the beauty of having the little beggers.
Got to say though, mine only really kicked off in Tesco once. Over a packet of Wotsits to be precise.
I ended up leaving the trolley with customer services and we both stood outside in the rain until she apologised and calmed down. First and last time she through a "proper" wobbly. She was never one for screaming as a baby fortunately.
To be fair, the fact we are having this thread shows the lack of tolerence rife in this day and age.
thats the beauty of having the little beggers. Got to say though, mine only really kicked off in Tesco once. Over a packet of Wotsits to be precise.
I ended up leaving the trolley with customer services and we both stood outside in the rain until she apologised and calmed down. First and last time she through a "proper" wobbly. She was never one for screaming as a baby fortunately.
To be fair, the fact we are having this thread shows the lack of tolerence rife in this day and age.
There will be no shock for me, the wife and i agreed before we got married, NO KIDS, dont have the time, dont want to waste the money and dont see the need when plenty of others are having them, not to mention every chav single mom is dropping 4 of the little rats and we have to pay for them!!
would rather have the spare time and money to enjoy life
would rather have the spare time and money to enjoy life
No. I have to shop on Sunday. They don't have to take kids to shop knowing they won't be able to control them. It's not me imposing inconvenience on their kids Sunday playground fun. It's their kids inconveniencing my Sunday shopping. The difference is very simple.
There will be no shock for me, the wife and i agreed before we got married, NO KIDS, dont have the time, dont want to waste the money and dont see the need when plenty of others are having them, not to mention every chav single mom is dropping 4 of the little rats and we have to pay for them!!
would rather have the spare time and money to enjoy life
It really is your loss. Not a dig, just a comment, having kids is fantastic.
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I think you should phone the Samaritans. Or write to your MP. or get a life maybe.
If your implying that parents should not be allowed to shop with children whilst those that aren't parents shop, thats segragation which isn't really very nice.
IMO its barely any different saying you can't shop here because of your colour.
Those that are getting all uppety about kids and parents and the like - I take it you don't like Baby on Board signs either?
I think they are a very good invention personally.
Let me get this right. You've just called me stupid for going shopping with my kids.
Firstly you tell me that I shouldn't take my kids shopping, now you want to tell me that I'm stupid.
Is this really an argument that you want to get into?
Basically you've questioned my IQ and then have tried to impose "your own will" on my lifestyle.
Don't you think that I might be a little offended by that?
Sure parents don't "have" to shop with their children, I think the necessity of modern life where both parents work probably means there are now more children in supermarkets. It's probably neither convenient or a "shortcut" just an aspect of having to juggle lots of different priorities and have to juggle a busy life.
Children have to learn how to behave in many different situation, they should know how to behave when they are out, if they don't that is the parents fault but not all parents can be tarred with the same brush.
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I've only read about 80% of this thread, but I'm getting so irritated, I have to post my thoughts.
I agree with most of Fox's points here and I'll explain why.
Firstly, there is an arguement about whether kids should be brought shopping. Whilst I can sometimes be irritated by crying babies at the supermarket I understand that some people have no other choice and it is a necessity. I also understand that people with small children and the disabled would find it much easier to be close to the shop. The disabled could be put through some physical discomfort walking that extra bit further. Yet on the flip side of the coin, what are other people's justification? Because they can? Because the can't be arsed to walk a little bit further? IMO, there is simply no need to have to park in a reserved space if there are other space free, even if that is another 200m away. If the supermarket wants to make reserved spaces, then it's their perogative.
As for the legality, this is subject to large amounts of opinion as I don't think there has been a court precedent to all the points raised. However, although private fines aren't enforcable, this will lead to more clamping. And (I never thought I say this) I would totally support this.
As for the point about the contract being with the driver, that's very true, however, your rights to the property are transfered to the third party whom you consent to take the vehicle. In which case the clampers keep the clamp on until the fine is paid. If the vehicle wasn't taken without consent, then the driver can be detailed by civil powers of arrest as they reasonably suspect an arrestable offense is being commited (vehicle being taken without consent). The police are then called, the driver taken in to custody and the vehicle released for the owner to collect. That should make people think twice. (Obviously this is only appliable to England and Wales)
At the end of the day, it's my view that this shouldn't be an issue if people have some decency and courtosy.
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I agree with most of Fox's points here and I'll explain why.
Firstly, there is an arguement about whether kids should be brought shopping. Whilst I can sometimes be irritated by crying babies at the supermarket I understand that some people have no other choice and it is a necessity. I also understand that people with small children and the disabled would find it much easier to be close to the shop. The disabled could be put through some physical discomfort walking that extra bit further. Yet on the flip side of the coin, what are other people's justification? Because they can? Because the can't be arsed to walk a little bit further? IMO, there is simply no need to have to park in a reserved space if there are other space free, even if that is another 200m away. If the supermarket wants to make reserved spaces, then it's their perogative.
As for the legality, this is subject to large amounts of opinion as I don't think there has been a court precedent to all the points raised. However, although private fines aren't enforcable, this will lead to more clamping. And (I never thought I say this) I would totally support this.
As for the point about the contract being with the driver, that's very true, however, your rights to the property are transfered to the third party whom you consent to take the vehicle. In which case the clampers keep the clamp on until the fine is paid. If the vehicle wasn't taken without consent, then the driver can be detailed by civil powers of arrest as they reasonably suspect an arrestable offense is being commited (vehicle being taken without consent). The police are then called, the driver taken in to custody and the vehicle released for the owner to collect. That should make people think twice. (Obviously this is only appliable to England and Wales)
At the end of the day, it's my view that this shouldn't be an issue if people have some decency and courtosy.
Burnsy
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I do think some venues - especially pubs should be strictly "no kids". It's just not on - go to Mcdonalds. As for supermarkets, besides active discouragement from supermarkets, I think it should be as simple as common sense - can you control your kid or not, if not, if you can't - if your kid kicks and screams in public places, gets lost and has to be pursuit by the staff etc then you are clearly not fit to "multitask" with your parenting skills in places like supermarket and there should be social stigma attached to it, you should be asked to come back later or get in control of your kid.
Comon sense - is all i ask - when your kid throws a tantrum in place like church and starts kicking confessional somehow most parents know what to do, how is it that you forget the skills required when it's your kid bumping your trolley into someone else's trolley? What is it about supermarket that makes you go - oh, it's ok if we waste some time or interrupt someone's routine?
Thats genuinely funny.
You make children out to be spawns of satan which simply isn't true. I know some truly horrible 6 year olds (sadly the worst of which is my god-daughter) And even her, I wouldn't expect or demand to be turned away from a supermarket.
You expect them to starve? Thats ridiculous.
Children you describe probably have some behaviour problems. OCD, ADHD, DCCD STI or some other popular 21st century disease.
Maintaining parental control over children is just obvious, though clearly some are better than others.
But that's not what you were asking, was it? Check your earlier posts and you were asking me to not go shopping at all, then you called me stupid.
So what's the plan, are you going to admit that you were going a bit too far, or would you like to continue the debate?
Dude, you are like one of those guys who will head butt in dark alley regardless of an answer - will you just stop and read through what people post? no one called you stupid. no one questions your IQ. Please don't pick personal fights where they don't exist. I will gladly discuss it further but not if you are going to turn my words around all the time.
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v0n, I also believe that I should not have to share a pub/supermarket/restaurant with anyone who may disagree/irritate with me online. Therefore should you be banned from everywhere I go?
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