Dog attack

kitten_caboodle said:
..I understand this - but what if your dog bites the other (leaded) dog so badly that it needs treatment? Whatever your attitude is to your dog, doesn't protect the other dog does it?
I'd also be interested to hear what you'd do if your dog was severely bitten by another, requiring treatment itself. Would your attitude change then and the other dog be at fault?
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I still have the attidue I have now - my dogs are technically out of my control when they (rarely!) ignore recall and so it's my fault they get bitten. If any of my dogs bit another I would offer payment as common curtosy (sp?); and I'd expect similar politeness from an owner who's dog bit mine. I was caught up in a bad dog fight not too long ago and the other owner and I exchanged personal and vet details.

kitten_caboodle said:
I'm sorry but this is nonsense. I volunteer at a registered rescue and we use extender leads if the dog walks well (doesn't pull etc - and if so, you use a harness) and the dogs weight is taken into account when choosing the type of flexi lead you have.
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I guess this is a matter of opinion. I personally do not feel flexi leads are strong enough for many dogs and are dangerous. Many people here agree with me.

Using a harness gives your dog more power behind their pull anyway as they can put their whole chest into it - as opposed to a flat collar or head collar where they just have their neck/head as power.

I'm sorry but just because you work with a 'registered rescue' does not stand you in any better stead to argue vs a flexi lead. I am a registered dog trainer and breeder (edit: breeder through family - parents hold KC registration) but do not use that as justice for my opinion on flexi leads.

Anyway - we're going off topic :) ...

Gilly: how is your dog now? Hope he's not too upset!
 
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hlw86 said:
I'm sorry but just because you work with a 'registered rescue' does not stand you in any better stead to argue vs a flexi lead. I am a registered dog trainer and breeder but do not use that as justice for my opinion on flexi leads.
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On point one - fair play to you.

On the quoted point - I'm not using it to justify anything, so please don't intimate so. I'm backing up my opinion with a valid reason for why I have that opinion which is surely a good thing rather than just saying 'flexi leads are ace rah rah rah'. I'm sorry you don't agree but I feel that the fact that I use the leads on dogs of different shapes and sizes on a regular basis gives me a better idea of how good/bad they are than if I just used them on my own dog and so it's a valid point and worth saying.

Edit: I actually just reread the post you're referring to and I actually mentioned to rescue (and the various different dogs that are walked on flexi leads) in relation to someone saying that only toy dogs should be walked while using one. Nothing to do with whether or not they were better than standard non-flexible leads.

As for saying 'many people here agree with me' - shall we go to the rescue dog forum and ask for their opinion on registered breeders? A lot of them would think it's 100% something that people shouldn't do but it doesn't make them right and I don't think it's really a valid way of backing up your point - it's a bit schoolyardy.

As you said, it's now going a bit off topic, so I suggest we leave it there. :)

Gilly - any news on Rocky & your Mum? I hope they are both feeling better :)
 
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Rocky is a bit under the weather and mum is still shaken, but both are improving.

Rocky was at the vets today and they've said he's going to be fine, and that it might not even scar. The folds of skin on a Boxer are for this exact reason.

Still bathing him with salt water 4 times daily and he's on antibiotics.

I saw the guy and the dog today. It was very difficult to refrain from retribution.
 
Best to keep your dog on a lead really.

I can't stand people who cant control their dogs...or think its fine for their dog to come running up to mine or other people walking their dogs. I keep mine on a lead because I know it can be aggressive with some other dogs; only maybe 1 out of 20 but its enough for me to keep her on a lead.

But lesson learnt I guess....hope he makes a full recovery!
 
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I must admit I don't like the idea of a powerful dog on an extender lead. We had one for Rocky but it confused him as to what his boundaries were and made him worse on walks so we ditched it. I'm pretty sure he'd snap it now, he's too strong for it (though this doesn't mean all extender leads would snap).
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To be fair, you might be surprised. They are not designed for dogs that require serious restraining, which naturally require different leads, but they are pretty damn strong. We've never had any trouble with our husky on an extender lead and he is a large and extremely strong dog, built to pull.
 
a bull terrier on a extender lead is the only thing that i am against. bull terrier could so easily pull it apart if it wanted to. stupid by the owner of one, but theres nothing saying dont have one on, its the owners personal opinion, its just i wouldn't put ours on one, if it went charging and you put the stop on it it would break probably for definite. so its a no go for me.
 
It looks like a big Staffy. I think it's a cross with something else. It's too wide and too tall to be pure Staffy.
 
Gilly said:
This evening my mum was walking my dog, he's been here today while I've been working and playing football.

The park was empty and the night was drawing in, though it wasn't quite dusk, and there was no-one about. So my mum let him off the lead. After a few seconds he pricks his ears up and sniffs the air, and starts ambling towards the gate, so my mum went after him, calling him. Unfortunately he's still a young dog and when he gets a scent or sees another dog he just doesn't listen.

A pitbull (unconfirmed) came into the park on a very long lead (the sort you have for a smaller dog, with a click button that allows them a bit of room to roam without letting them off the lead) and Rocky goes to sniff and to say hello. He's a playful dog and sometimes annoys older dogs when he won't leave them alone.

The other dog snapped at him, grabbed him by the throat and started thrashing him around, all the while the guy with the lead is shouting at my mum to get her dog off his :confused:

Rocky has been to the vets and has been given a course of antibiotics and we've had to saltwater bathe the wounds.

I'm glad in a way that I wasn't there, because I'd have killed the other dog and quite possibly the owner. All he did was stand there shouting at my mum. Didn't shorten his dog's leash, didn't attempt to get it off my dog's throat... My mum believes we should go to the police, but I'm not sure there's anything they can do.

That's a dangerous dog though that doesn't have the correct precautions. It had a harness on and a clicker lead. Dumbfounding.
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I fully agree with you on this Gilly. For those that said it was his mum's fault picture this. I have a 2 year old son who goes to the park several times per week. Likes to run around occasionaly other people will come into the park with their dogs and generally stay away although you get the idiots who think it's their right for their dog to defecate the park where ever they choose. Quite a few have got near my son who loves dogs and sometimes wanders over. Imagine if that dog had grabbed my son and shook him. All dogs should be on a lead but dogs with agressive tendances should wear a muzzle.
 
jas72 said:
I fully agree with you on this Gilly. For those that said it was his mum's fault picture this. I have a 2 year old son who goes to the park several times per week. Likes to run around occasionaly other people will come into the park with their dogs and generally stay away although you get the idiots who think it's their right for their dog to defecate the park where ever they choose. Quite a few have got near my son who loves dogs and sometimes wanders over. Imagine if that dog had grabbed my son and shook him. All dogs should be on a lead but dogs with agressive tendances should wear a muzzle.
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well if someone is nearby with what you might consider a dangerous or aggressive dog and it worries you that something may happen then you ought to be keeping your kid away, even consider leaving the area, not letting your kid "wander over"
 
I have a staff, who to be honest is SOFT as GREASE but when on the lead and other dogs run to him gets snappy.
I ofc would have called him off had it been me but you have to understand that your's shouldnt really of been off the lead when young and disobidiant
 
jas72 said:
I fully agree with you on this Gilly. For those that said it was his mum's fault picture this. I have a 2 year old son who goes to the park several times per week. Likes to run around occasionaly other people will come into the park with their dogs and generally stay away although you get the idiots who think it's their right for their dog to defecate the park where ever they choose. Quite a few have got near my son who loves dogs and sometimes wanders over. Imagine if that dog had grabbed my son and shook him. All dogs should be on a lead but dogs with agressive tendances should wear a muzzle.
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Imagine having parents who watch there child, and dont let them wonder off.
kettle pot however the saying goes

edit. Imagine that dog being a pedophile and you letting him wonder off. Seriously upsets me when people dont look at the bigger picture. I would be the same be it my dog but thats only human
 
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Sorry to hear about the incident Gilly!

Had a similar "experience" last year in the summer. There is a park we used to go to about 2 miles away, and we only had one dog then, a soft as butter choccy lab, (who would not hurt anyone, I would stake my life on it! he is just a big dog (6 stone))
Anyway, we got to the park, and we notice two blokes with dogs on the other side, so we left our dog on his lead, just until they left, we often did this as he always wants to play with other dogs. Within a minute of us entering the park, one of the dogs, a staffy of course (only good use for one is to help a bag of bricks sink :( ) makes a line for us and jumps straight at our dog, biting and latching onto his ear, our dog is yelping and screaming, my wife and I are shouting at the bloke, who must be in his 40's to get his ******* dog off, he slowly jogs, whacks his dog with the lead, catching our dog in the process, and walks off with us screaming at him!! :mad:

We rang the police at once, the blokes just walked off. The police met us at the vets (£80 thanks very much inconsiderate idiot!) and took statements and tried to find the blokes, but to no avail. Only when we got home, my wife noticed she got bitten as well on her arm (through a thick fleece and a jumper!) the bruises took 4 weeks to disappear.

We never did find the guy, but I will remember his face, I just hope we don't meet!

The police were really good with the situation, and would have nicked him if they could have found him..

I do hope you have reported this incident to the police Gilly, people like this should have their dogs destroyed!
 
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