Who has the best army in the world?

Over Clocker · 22 Jun 2008 at 22:15

neodude said:
American Seawolf class is more advanced I reckon.

Lol, the American Seawolf design is nearly 20 years old which was not updated during production!!

There is no question that the Royal Navy Astute class and Type 45s are the most advanced subs and warships.

MarcLister · 22 Jun 2008 at 23:31

pitchfork said:
The english.
All other armys are too reliant on weapons, us, we'll kick the enemy to death if we have to.

Enlist the chavs?

Ross1234 · 22 Jun 2008 at 23:33

MarcLister said:
Enlist the chavs?

And deliberately have bad tactics so they all die.

eXor · 22 Jun 2008 at 23:44

Over Clocker said:
I would say that gives more power than the 'fake' power of the USA....

Hiroshima, Nagasaki........ London.

And that was 1945.

inferno · 23 Jun 2008 at 00:05

Did anyone see the rare video footage of SAS/SBS at the Taliban prison uprising? Have a search on youtube, Qal a Jangi or something. Anyways, a small group suppressed hundreds of taliban then called in air strikes. Sadly on of the guys died during a holiday in Greece

Mik3 · 23 Jun 2008 at 00:14

This entire US V UK is ridiculas, no army has the logistics to attack the UK, not even the US, we would enialate their fleet before it got close to our waters, and without air support their long range bombers would be easy targets.

Tefal · 23 Jun 2008 at 00:22

Mik3 said:
This entire US V UK is ridiculas, no army has the logistics to attack the UK, not even the US, we would enialate their fleet before it got close to our waters, and without air support their long range bombers would be easy targets.

what? how would we, their carriers could fight off the raf no problem then just sit in the Atlantic and fire missiles at us from the other side of Ireland if they liked.

weescott · 23 Jun 2008 at 00:55

AcidHell2 said:
Aren't the new ones we've signed up for coded and we have to ask for the codes?

But anyway, they still have enough ammunition to beat us back to last century. We don't have enough forces let alone enough long range missiles to take them on.

Sounds like the incident of the UK buying Chinook helicopters from the US but not getting the security codes to start them, then the US saying No you can't have the codes.

pitchfork said:
The english.
All other armys are too reliant on weapons, us, we'll kick the enemy to death if we have to.

Pitty there isn't an English army.

Mik3 · 23 Jun 2008 at 01:57

Tefal said:
what? how would we, their carriers could fight off the raf no problem then just sit in the Atlantic and fire missiles at us from the other side of Ireland if they liked.

I'm no expert but couldn't our missiles destroy their fleet? They could fire missiles at us from the US, as we could fire missiles at them from the UK. As I said no army is capable to attack us.

Tefal · 23 Jun 2008 at 01:59

no because with that many ships there is an insane amount of anti missile defense whole ships dedicated too it on top of every ships own defenses.

They could easily destroy the RAF, and then there is nothing to stop a naval invasion. (short of nukes but that would just mean they'd nukes us to a Gobi desert like state.)

Plus we have no ground launched tomahawks neither do they (old nuclear treaties) so once they take out the navy + RAF we have nothing to fire back at them aside from artillery.

Over Clocker · 23 Jun 2008 at 07:59

Tefal said:
no because with that many ships there is an insane amount of anti missile defense whole ships dedicated too it on top of every ships own defenses.

They could easily destroy the RAF, and then there is nothing to stop a naval invasion. (short of nukes but that would just mean they'd nukes us to a Gobi desert like state.)

Plus we have no ground launched tomahawks neither do they (old nuclear treaties) so once they take out the navy + RAF we have nothing to fire back at them aside from artillery.

That's what ze Germans thought at the Battle of Britain!

Tefal · 23 Jun 2008 at 08:01

Over Clocker said:
That's what ze Germans thought at the Battle of Britain!

yeah but at this point it's less about pilot skill and more about how many long rage missiles you can fire and how good your jamming and stealth are.

The combat trials and excersises that the F-22's have been in show how much the plane affects things now.

Over Clocker · 23 Jun 2008 at 08:05

eXor said:
Hiroshima, Nagasaki........ London.

And that was 1945.

eh?

You do realise that those bombs were merely dropped by the USAF, but developed by the Canada, the UK and the USA, and 30 different sites across all 3 countries.

Infact if you look at most famous US military projects, they would not have been possible without British research......

Biohazard · 23 Jun 2008 at 08:09

inferno said:
Did anyone see the rare video footage of SAS/SBS at the Taliban prison uprising? Have a search on youtube, Qal a Jangi or something. Anyways, a small group suppressed hundreds of taliban then called in air strikes. Sadly on of the guys died during a holiday in Greece

Source?

Over Clocker · 23 Jun 2008 at 08:11

Here's an interesting question...

Say a foreign power, not the USA as their our supposedly best friends, but someone else, attacked the UK in an all our war, would our European "friends step in and help us?

Biohazard · 23 Jun 2008 at 08:11

Mik3 said:
This entire US V UK is ridiculas, no army has the logistics to attack the UK, not even the US, we would enialate their fleet before it got close to our waters, and without air support their long range bombers would be easy targets.

We couldn't annihilate their fleet. Perhaps 2-3 Battlegroups if we are lucky (The RN is better than the US-N) however if you are talking about the whole fleet - you are miss guided.

Biohazard · 23 Jun 2008 at 08:14

Over Clocker said:
Here's an interesting question...

Say a foreign power, not the USA as their our supposedly best friends, but someone else, attacked the UK in an all our war, would our European "friends step in and help us?

Yes. I'm not too sure on Germany, they seem to only take part in peacekeeping crap these days. They are actively scared to fire bullets in anger anymore.

France would I believe, as Britain would be a good stepping stone onto the french continent.

NATO would hopefully kick in.

Tefal · 23 Jun 2008 at 08:17

Over Clocker said:
Here's an interesting question...

Say a foreign power, not the USA as their our supposedly best friends, but someone else, attacked the UK in an all our war, would our European "friends step in and help us?

depends how the enemy planed to get here, the most suitable way is through our European friends

Meat shields ***

but yeah I reckon at a minimum they would at least provide anti air + aid over their countries and across the channel.

But do any of the euro's even have navies anymore?

Over Clocker · 23 Jun 2008 at 08:21

Tefal said:
depends how the enemy planed to get here, the most suitable way is through our European friends

Meat shields ***

but yeah I reckon at a minimum they would at least provide anti air + aid over their countries and across the channel.

But do any of the euro's even have navies anymore?

France if the only other European country with a Navy to talk about, but it's a bit budget and useless if you look at it closely.

Biohazard · 23 Jun 2008 at 08:24

^ Not at all.

Tefal said:
But do any of the euro's even have navies anymore?

/Facepalm

The French battlegroup under the Carrier Charles De Gaul. (heap of ****, constantly in dry dock). The french lineup also includes:

one Rubis Class SSN
two anti-submarine destroyers
one or two anti-air destroyers
one frigate in forward patrol
one supply ship

The Spannish battlegroup under Principe de Asturias.

Italians have Giusseppe Garibaldi carrier heading their fleet. Not quite a battlegroup though.

All of the above including the UK are awaiting the arival of new carriers for their fleets.