2008 German GP - Race 10/18

The next few races will prove if he is just "good" or will become "great". He has the potential to seriously bore us and "schumacher" us to death for the next ten years. I'd love that to be honest

lol, i can see this happening again, i really don't want it to go this way again, increadibly BORING!

i think things will change dramatically next year though with all the changes!
 
The next few races will prove if he is just "good" or will become "great". He has the potential to seriously bore us and "schumacher" us to death for the next ten years. I'd love that to be honest

lol, i can see this happening again, i really don't want it to go this way again, increadibly BORING!

i think things will change dramatically next year though with all the changes!

I dont think it will be long until everyone adopts the above tech.
At which point Hamiltons pace will "come down back to earth".

This is a very interesting article here:

It appears as if McLaren’s new steering wheel could be behind the Woking based squad’s recent surge in form with Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen going from struggling to keep up with their rivals at Ferrari in France a month ago to winning back to back dominating victories at Silverstone and Hockenheim.



Hamilton won by over a minute in the rain soaked British Grand prix, and although he wasn’t miles ahead in Germany, he would have been if not for a safety car and the team’s decision not to pit when the rest of the field did. Instead he came in under green flag conditions several laps later, only to make his way back from fifth to first, with a few seconds to spare in just sixteen laps.



Although there is no doubt about Hamilton’s driving finesse, the domination we have seen in these recent races has left other teams scratching their heads, but it claims by the Telegraph are to be believed, the answer is quite simple.



It appears as if the MP4-23’s steering wheel is a little different from its rivals with four paddle levels instead of the regular two. Two being to change gears and the two additional levers used to adjust engine torque to suit the gear selected, helping to minimize wheel spin in slow corners but retaining speed for the fast ones. The rules indicate that drivers can not select gears and torque settings in one move, so the extra two levers must be used for the car to remain legal.



Just how long it will be before other teams use this technology, or the FIA bans it, is anyone’s guess, but if it is the reason for their upward turn in performance, you can bet it won’t take Ferrari too long to be right up there with them!
 

There are occasions where I make a small amount of sense on here.

Oh, and....

shameful for me to admit, but I'm not honestly certain I got that one right. Was it Tyrrell who brought it in? I think it was the 019, their 1990 challenger.

I was right. Just checked up on it. 'twas Doc Postlethwaite's idea to improve the underbody aero efficiency following his 018 design. Seemed to catch on at any rate, as you won't find a championship winning car without that design philosophy after 1993's Williams FW-15C!
 
I was right. Just checked up on it. 'twas Doc Postlethwaite's idea to improve the underbody aero efficiency following his 018 design. Seemed to catch on at any rate, as you won't find a championship winning car without that design philosophy after 1993's Williams FW-15C!

Which coinsides with when the cars started to get uuuuuugly.
 
Yep. Prettiness in F1 was finally locked on the path to Ugly Town to meet its doom at the close of the '95 season when the Ferrari 412T/2 was retired.

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I dont think it will be long until everyone adopts the above tech.
At which point Hamiltons pace will "come down back to earth".

This is a very interesting article here:

And what is to say that Ferrari or other teams aren't already using "torque selection"? Ferrari have had that wierd lever down near their left leg for agggeess now. ITV has always just assumed it is brake bias but it has never been proven.

According to a guy on f1technical.net Renault introduced the same system at Silverstone. And he also reckons MacMerc have had it since Australia.... To be honest I'm *sure* I've seen Hamilton shift like that for a while now. Sometimes he will shift gears in a cheery sort of "single finger" way. Other times he will use his whole hand so he can hit both paddles at the same time... obviously the top paddles are the gear shift and the lower paddles are the torque selection.
 
during any specific Formula 1 season, more steering wheels will have to be manufactured, because it is a Vodafone McLaren Mercedes policy that, when one of its drivers finishes a grand prix on the podium, the wheel from his car is removed and its history documented. It will then go into storage as a valuable souvenir of the team’s success, never to be used again.
Blimey - that's got to be costing them!
 
Great to see that along with less aero apendages, the cars will be wider and have much fatter tyres - thank god!

You will be suprised by how many wings the new FIA ruling still allows. 2009 cars will not be vastly different from 2008 despite what everyone thinks.
 
Ah, that's interesting - nice to have some info from someone who really knows the score :)
I heard that an aero reduction of 20 - 30%, which doesn't sound like much, so I would imagine that this could be clawed back pretty soon.
 
Ah, that's interesting - nice to have some info from someone who really knows the score :)
I heard that an aero reduction of 20 - 30%, which doesn't sound like much, so I would imagine that this could be clawed back pretty soon.


We gained 4% of the loss back on a single component.
 
Blimey that's impressive.
So it's fair to say that the planned aero-reduction won't demonstrate much affect once the aero boys have been tinkering. With the possibility of some extra ground-effects (due to the increase in space allowed past the rear wheels) and the fat slicks I'm expecting the cornering speeds to go up, is this how you would see it too?
 
And what is to say that Ferrari or other teams aren't already using "torque selection"?

Well... lets find some pictures of the steering wheel from pre-British GP and lets see if they were there before :)

According to a guy on f1technical.net Renault introduced the same system at Silverstone. And he also reckons MacMerc have had it since Australia.... To be honest I'm *sure* I've seen Hamilton shift like that for a while now. Sometimes he will shift gears in a cheery sort of "single finger" way. Other times he will use his whole hand so he can hit both paddles at the same time... obviously the top paddles are the gear shift and the lower paddles are the torque selection.

Interpreting what you have said here, it seems you think there are 4 paddles on the wheel.

If you see the picture, there are now 6 paddles. But as I said above, we need pictures of pre/post british gp to confirm this really.

My guess is that the lower 2 paddles at the torque adjusters, so theoretically speaking if I was right, then those two paddles shouldnt be there in pre-british gp races.

But then again, perhaps they were designed at the beginning of the season but never implemented?

Or as you say perhaps he has been using them since Oz, but then where has the sudden performance surge come from? He literally went from zero to hero in 1 or two races ... do you honestly believe its all down to Hamilton?

Im really skeptical about this... I would prefer to believe that it was Hamiltons raw talent and no new tech that got him the wins at Silverstone and Hockenheim, but as I said... Im skeptical.
 
I don't think it is to do with just Hamilton no. In fact other than his confidence being up since Silverstone I wouldn't say he has changed as a driver at all.

I reckon its all changes to McLaren and possibly a bad development direction at Ferrari. Ferrari have hinted at this too - they were testing yesterday and today to find out why their performance has gone backwards. Lets face it, they were struggling even in the front-mid field in Germany!!!

I don't think McLaren have improved that much. The things that stick out in my mind are the little winglet shark fins on the middle of the car near the driver's legs. Apparently these help high speed corners. Also apparently McLaren were developing a new engine oil to get more BHP from the engine and they started using this either at Silverstone or at Germany I believe. But they also have that new front wing that I believe they introduced in France.

Recently their front tyre wear (and possibly rear too) has gone down a lot (even if ITV still keep saying McLaren uses its tyres much harder - they're idiots)... so maybe McLaren have discovered something there too. Although I suppose that could be attributed to the new front wing on the front tyres, and the torque selection for the rear tyres :p So yeah... I guess that would explain it then!

How this for a conspiracy theory too... you know when Kovalainen overtook Alonso and then lost drive out of the corner and Alonso took him back.. not sure which race it was but it was early early season? Is it possible that it wasn't a pit speed limiter but that Kova had selected the wrong torque selection??? ;);) Oooh that really adds up doesn't it!
 
It does seem actually like when he punched the air that he hit something on the wheel. OK perhaps a conspiracy too far :p
 
the KERS system is used to turn kinetic energy (from braking) into electrical energy which is stored in a battaery and can be used to power the car's subsystems. More info here.

IIRC BMW are the first to market this technology on their own road cars with the EfficientDynamics models.

Toyota Prius and the Lexus ***h models all use kinetic energy to recharge their batteries and were about long before BMW ed systems.
 
Testing Times Day 1 @ Jerez

Code:
Pos  Driver        Team                      Time      Laps
 1.  Vettel        Toro Rosso-Ferrari   (B)  1:19.844   94
 2.  Paffett       McLaren-Mercedes     (B)  1:20.179   80
 3.  Badoer        Ferrari              (B)  1:20.697   69
 4.  Hulkenberg    Williams-Toyota      (B)  1:20.953   58
 5.  Buemi         Red Bull-Renault     (B)  1:20.997  110
 6.  Grosjean      Renault              (B)  1:21.223   71
 7.  Trulli        Toyota               (B)  1:21.459   96
 8.  Wurz          Honda                (B)  1:21.596   84
 9.  Klien         BMW-Sauber           (B)  no time     3

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69397



Testing Times Day 2 @ Jerez

Code:
Pos  Driver        Team                      Time     Laps
 1.  Vettel        Toro Rosso-Ferrari   (B)  1:18.843  100
 2.  de la Rosa    McLaren-Mercedes     (B)  1:19.081  122
 3.  Raikkonen     Ferrari              (B)  1:19.446   76
 4.  Rosberg       Williams-Toyota      (B)  1:19.861  112
 5.  Webber        Red Bull-Renault     (B)  1:20.021  105
 6.  Wurz          Honda                (B)  1:20.416   77
 7.  Trulli        Toyota               (B)  1:20.534   81
 8.  Liuzzi        Force India-Ferrari  (B)  1:20.577  102
 9.  Piquet        Renault              (B)  1:20.827   99
10.  Klien         BMW-Sauber           (B)  1:20.866   89

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69410
 
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