Illegal downloads
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Ah right!
So, I get someone else to steal stuff from Tescos, then I steal it from them.. that way I haven't directly stolen from the shop. Job's a good'un!
Cheers mate
This.
You know full well what he meant and are just looking to be argumentative rather than have an intelligent conversation.
This goes round in circles; he doesn't see it as theft or doesn't care and you do. Neither of you can convince the other one any different so there's absoloutley no point in bickering on about it.
This is the reason these threads go on for pages and pages, loads of repetition.
Ah right!
So, I get someone else to steal stuff from Tescos, then I steal it from them.. that way I haven't directly stolen from the shop. Job's a good'un!
Cheers mate
Ok lets say you go into an art gallary (now you're a very good phtographer and have some decent kit) you take a excelent picture of one of the paintings, equal in quality to the prints the museum is selling of said painting.
Have you just stolen a print?
Discus..
Well, its quite simple for me....
For years the music/film industry has had it all its own way, ripping bands off, ripping the consumer off etc.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Bands realise they can make it without them, people realise they can download for free, the record companies are crapping it, as their whole existence will be challenged soon.
I would never go to a shop to buy a CD, I cant be arsed. I would much rather download it online, which again, is way more hassle than just using a torrent.
Tesco and Asda have got the right idea, having mini stores within a store with cheapER than normal prices. This is the way forward as far has a hard purchasable media is concerned.
I for one can't wait for all the greedy record companies to die a death. Funny how what goes around comes around.
Any band which launches on Myspace etc gets my vote over some **** like Robbie Williams signing for a large rip off house.
Just my £1 worth.
For years the music/film industry has had it all its own way, ripping bands off, ripping the consumer off etc.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Bands realise they can make it without them, people realise they can download for free, the record companies are crapping it, as their whole existence will be challenged soon.
I would never go to a shop to buy a CD, I cant be arsed. I would much rather download it online, which again, is way more hassle than just using a torrent.
Tesco and Asda have got the right idea, having mini stores within a store with cheapER than normal prices. This is the way forward as far has a hard purchasable media is concerned.
I for one can't wait for all the greedy record companies to die a death. Funny how what goes around comes around.
Any band which launches on Myspace etc gets my vote over some **** like Robbie Williams signing for a large rip off house.
Just my £1 worth.
You're right. I'm just tired of the 2345234687235478 piracy threads that we have on this forum, that end up being a food fight. Everyone of the piracy threads degenerates into name calling, and I can't be bothered to post a reasonable argument on the subject anymore.
My apologies for a crap post though, I just grow riled at the topic.
Strictly speaking, that won't properly wipe the drive. It will make data recovery time-consuming and expensive, though, so no-one would bother unless the data on the drive was extremely important.
Have you stolen a print?
No
Have you broken the law?
Yes
Are you likely to be stopped/caught in the act?
Yes
Would most people do it?
No, because of the above.
Now in the case of music/film/game downloads:
Have you stolen anything?
No
Have you broken the law?
Yes
Are you likely to be stopped/caught in the act?
No (although possibly getting more likely)
Would most people do it?
Yes, because they can get something for free without the fear of being caught.
It's really that simple. As long as there is something that people want, then there will always be those that will try to get it as cheaply as possible. The only thing that will prevent people downloading things for free is when the risk of being caught reaches a level where they no longer feel it is worth it.
I couldn't agree more.
Ferraris cost so much so the next time I see one on the road with the roof down I'm going to hop in and hotwire it. If they were cheaper then I wouldn't be forced into this position!
Of course you then get the usual rhetoric about the differences between stealing a tangible item and downloading bits and bytes. Unfortunately whichever way you cut it you're still obtaining someones intellectual property other than in accordance with its licence.
I am pretty nonplussed by the piracy debate but it is quite irritating to read the tenuous justifications that people give for doing it - "too expensive", "wouldn't buy it anyway", "I buy other stuff to make up for it", etc. It's theft, plain and simple
(and yes "theft" covers property which can include I.P)
oh my you're seriously trying to make the theft argument? I thought everyone had given up on this long, long ago.
I have four words for you: intention to permanently deprive.
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Could you not, in theory at least, use a strong electromagnet?
Yes. It probably wouldn't take a strong one.
Alternatively, mount the drive as a second drive (or boot off something else, like a live CD) and use a wiping program to military standard to wipe the entire drive. It will take hours, but it will do the job. After various values have been written to every sector repeatedly, finding what was there before is practically impossible. That's probably the easiest way, as you just leave it running. There are some wipers free online. I've used BCWipe in the past.
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you would get serious prison time for killing a black tramp over a white married man with family.
You are missing out /a lot/ of prices in the making of that DVD.
Not all films make all the money at the box office, a lot make it from the DVD as well, also lots of other factors.
Rich
This thread seems to have run it's course so I don't really think I can add much too it apart from my personal opinion and feelings on the subject.
I used to download a lot in my younger days, mainly because it seemed cool and there was the whole "Beating the system" thing you got when you did it - would download games, movies, music etc.
However as I got older I stopped doing it - Friends where in bands and started to get big - I saw how much work they put into an album, and everything surrounding it and just thought "Why should I just download this for free? I could kid myself into 'well when I get the money i'll buy it'" but when I looked through my collection I saw I never really did that.
After I realised this - I went through my machine and deleted every album I didn't own, every TV show and every movie that I had downloaded - and it felt good!
some media (music mainly) these days has available streams where you can listen or watch before you can lay out your cash
Music - Last.fm, Myspace Music, Pandora etc - they make it easy to listen to music before you buy and even point you to both physical and digital copies should you wish to buy.
I guess this may come across as a bit moral high-horsey but it is not intended that way - you can do as you wish it's not my place to judge.
I think one of the things that struck home with me recently was when I completed MGS4 and the credits rolled...
And rolled, and rolled - there was the same (probably more!) manpower and time and effort as most huge blockbuster movies - I couldn't belive how many people worked on the projct and the ammount of time and effort and money, and all I had paid was £27 to enjoy there work, over and over for the rest of the life of the disc!
This is a bit of a rambling post, and I don't want it to come across as saying "downloading = bad" as well it is your choice.
Rich
I used to download a lot in my younger days, mainly because it seemed cool and there was the whole "Beating the system" thing you got when you did it - would download games, movies, music etc.
However as I got older I stopped doing it - Friends where in bands and started to get big - I saw how much work they put into an album, and everything surrounding it and just thought "Why should I just download this for free? I could kid myself into 'well when I get the money i'll buy it'" but when I looked through my collection I saw I never really did that.
After I realised this - I went through my machine and deleted every album I didn't own, every TV show and every movie that I had downloaded - and it felt good!
some media (music mainly) these days has available streams where you can listen or watch before you can lay out your cash
Music - Last.fm, Myspace Music, Pandora etc - they make it easy to listen to music before you buy and even point you to both physical and digital copies should you wish to buy.
I guess this may come across as a bit moral high-horsey but it is not intended that way - you can do as you wish it's not my place to judge.
I think one of the things that struck home with me recently was when I completed MGS4 and the credits rolled...
And rolled, and rolled - there was the same (probably more!) manpower and time and effort as most huge blockbuster movies - I couldn't belive how many people worked on the projct and the ammount of time and effort and money, and all I had paid was £27 to enjoy there work, over and over for the rest of the life of the disc!
This is a bit of a rambling post, and I don't want it to come across as saying "downloading = bad" as well it is your choice.
Rich
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I took the moral high ground 2 weeks ago.
Since July 1999 I've had virtually every major music release posted through my door besides the stuff I've downloaded myself.
I even spent 2 solid weeks converting around 500 CD-R's into DVDs to maximise my space.
It got to be an addiction that I just had to have everything and I didn't pass it on either.
I estimated I had well over 30,000 albums
I have no need for them because they were just catalogued and put into a box.
Three full boxes like this went down the tip 2 weeks ago and I now feel better for it -
I'm not going to stop acquiring stuff but at least my addiction has now been controlled.
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I took the moral high ground 2 weeks ago.
Since July 1999 I've had virtually every major music release posted through my door besides the stuff I've downloaded myself.
I even spent 2 solid weeks converting around 500 CD-R's into DVDs to maximise my space.
It got to be an addiction that I just had to have everything and I didn't pass it on either.
I estimated I had well over 30,000 albums
I have no need for them because they were just catalogued and put into a box.
Three full boxes like this went down the tip 2 weeks ago and I now feel better for it -
I'm not going to stop acquiring stuff but at least my addiction has now been controlled.
I'd have gave you a tenner for that!
MySpace = Crap quality, Last.FM = 30 seconds on the majority of the music, not sure about Pandora.
Don't get me started on YouTube quality.
Well, you don't expect to listen to the whole album do you?
I am actually surprised that some pages on last.fm have whole albums! And I don't expect it to be the highest of high quality as you know, its a website and they don't have the bandwidth to stream crazy high quality files to everyone.
I think the service they give is enough to allow you to judge if you like the album or not.
Rich
Yeah but still, it's not really a viable alternative for me.
Plus, if I had to go and spend around a tenner for an album with say 10 tracks then I'd pretty much have zero music, if it wasn't for the net I wouldn't even bother listening to it.
Yeah but still, it's not really a viable alternative for me.
Plus, if I had to go and spend around a tenner for an album with say 10 tracks then I'd pretty much have zero music, if it wasn't for the net I wouldn't even bother listening to it.
Why is it not a viable alternative?
Also, I don't even get what you mean by your second statement.
Rich