The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

dirtydog said:
SECTION 2: MEMBERSHIP

1) The British National Party represents the collective National, Environmental, Political,
Racial, Folkish, Social, Cultural, Religious and Economic interests of the indigenous
Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain
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So do you have to have genetic tests to prove you are a pure blood Northern European? What if you have some southern European genes, or even more "non-native"? It's completely meaningless, I want to see Nick Griffin take a DNA test I bet you he is not a pure blood Northern European.

and those we regard
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So it's up their discretion, there aren't actually any real qualifiers.

as
closely related and ethnically assimilated or assimilable aboriginal members of the
European race also resident in Britain.
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What about someone who is mixed race, are they not closely related and ethnically assimilated?

Membership of the BNP is strictly defined
within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the legal
ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and defined ‘ethnic
groups’ emanating from that Race as specified in law in the House of Lords case of
Mandla V Dowell Lee (1983) 1 ALL ER 1062, HL.
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So unless you tick White on your government census you are a *** and are not welcome?

2) The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous
Caucasian’ consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic
Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The
Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic
Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The
Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The
Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic
groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.
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Folk Community? Where do I sign up, I've never been a member? I quite like folk music, but what the hell are they on about?
 
dirtydog said:
And half the Labour front bench and Tony Blair in 97 were ex-CND members. Yet I don't remember us scrapping our nukes. People's views can evolve as they get older.
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Their views can certainly evolve, but personally I find the CND cause a just one unlike the National Front's. The people at the top of the BNP are racists to the core, with a thin veneer of respectability attached so they can function in politics.
 
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dirtydog said:
http://www.answers.com/folk
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The common people of a society or region considered as the representatives of a traditional way of life and especially as the originators or carriers of the customs, beliefs, and arts that make up a distinctive culture: a leader who came from the folk.
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Define that please, because as far as I'm aware watching television and using computers do not make up a distinctive culture? What exactly do you practice that is regarded as traditional British culture?

Fancy addressing my other comments about the requirements instead of cherry picking one line?
 
Stag said:
Their views can certainly evolve, but personally I find the CND cause a just one unlike the National Front's. The people at the top of the BNP are racists to the core, with a thin veneer of respectability attached so they can function in politics.
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If you accept Labour leaders changed their views (which they self evidently did, because they did not scrap our nukes) then you must accept the BNP has likewise evolved.
 
Stag said:
Define that please, because as far as I'm aware watching television and using computers do not make up a distinctive culture? What exactly do you practice that is regarded as traditional British culture?

Fancy addressing my other comments about the requirements instead of cherry picking one line?
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I don't think the BNP constitition could be any clearer. You know exactly what it means, we all know exactly what it means.
 
dirtydog said:
If you accept Labour leaders changed their views (which they self evidently did, because they did not scrap our nukes) then you must accept the BNP has likewise evolved.
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How have they likewise evolved? You have to be White to join their party?
 
dirtydog said:
If you accept Labour leaders changed their views (which they self evidently did, because they did not scrap our nukes) then you must accept the BNP has likewise evolved.
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They may still feel strongly that nuclear disarmament is positive and should be a goal but they may have realised they were unable to scrap all nukes in a sweeping gesture. The desire may still be there, just as Nick G's racial hatred is clearly simmering below the surface.

What has happened in your life to make you so bitter and prone to negative, hateful politics?
 
its nce to see the BNP will embrace the ginger people of this island nation....I'm the whitest person I know! I cannot even get a tan!

in fact I hope the BNP ban sun tans just so people dont get confused...why would anybody want to darken their skin?!

I look forward to our new fascist overlords (though I assume brown shirts will be out as well....)
 
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dirtydog said:
It always dismays me that outwardly intelligent people can try to claim that race is only about skin colour.
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Thank you for the backhanded compliment but it is really not necessary.

I don't claim that race is about any one element except that skin colour is about the only thing that does appear to matter to a lot of people and the BNPs definition of race is fudged so that skin colour is about all that can be used to distinguish between people unless they are seriously suggesting we play top trumps with genealogy. I'm not even convinced that race is a meaningful measure of anything - I certainly wouldn't aspire to use it to distinguish between people and therefore treat them differently.
 
Regardless of personal political opinions, the BNP are a valid political group.
If people don't agree - fine.

It is indeed limited, but last time I looked, we were meant to be a democracy.
Surely this means, regardless of what you think, there are people pro-BNP and their opinions are valid.

I personally think Griffin must be one of the bravest men in the country, to know there are so many people that object to his views, yet he still has the courage to stand up for his views. Personally, I think his points are extreme, but I can appreciate the sheer guts he has.

I am actually quite appauled at how the BNP are treated though. The protests were a fantastic example, no arrests made. The people physically attacking the BNP are worse than the members themselves.
 
Stag said:
Couldn't find their constitution, but this is from their mission statement:



Firstly I like the fact they forget about the Normans, but what they are spouting is meaningless gibberish. Firstly what defines closely related kindred? Does it just boil down to the fact we have less melanin in our skin, is that what defines "the character of our family of nations"?
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Who do you think the "Normans" were? Do you think that they were some seperate people from the "Norsemen"?

You might find this an educational and interesting read:
http://normans.etrusia.co.uk/whowere.php

Stag said:
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
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Do you know the origins of this poem? According to Wiki:
"Martin Niemöller was a German pastor and theologian born in Lippstadt, Germany, in 1892. Niemöller was an anti-Communist and supported Hitler's rise to power at first. But when Hitler insisted on the supremacy of the state over religion, Niemöller became disillusioned."

I find it interesting that his main (original) issue was Hitlers insistence of State over religion, from your signature I'd take a wild guess that you'd agree that State should come before religion?

Stag said:
Although 750~ members is a small sample (how many posters are regular contributors?) and 10% result in favour of the BNP is way above that of the general population.
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1000 people is often considered a representative poll in national surveys. However the makeup of this forum is not that representative, what percentage of posters are female for example?
Nationally I believe that over 6% of the UK population who voted cast their vote for the BNP. So given that this forum is not that representative of the UK as a whole in terms of sex or age I don't think that the 10% you have quoted is "way above" the general population.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/elections/euro/09/html/ukregion_999999.stm

The UK also seems to have a smaller amount of "right wing" sentiment than Europe does.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8088309.stm

Stag said:
When the particular poster in question is owner of the forums then it adds weight to the perceived alignment of this place.

I don't view OcUK as far right, but it's a safe bet saying the membership is certainly more right wing than anything else on average.
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Given the recent UK elections is it not fair to say that the entire country as a whole seems to be more right wing than left wing at the moment? Why would, or indeed *should* this forum be any different?

Stag said:
What exactly is their definition as indigenous? Any caucasian who's family has lived here centuries?
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What was your definition of "Norman"? ;)
 
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likwid said:
Do not think for one second yourself that the BNP are standing up for the views of the majority. While many agree with the view that something need be done about immigration and EU membership, the majority do not agree with the the BNP's manifesto.

As I mentioned previously, the BNP have to canvas some of the poorest housing estates in the country to find people stupid enough to vote for them. If you find yourself among those people then have no doubt, you are either:
- racist
- too stupid to realise that discriminating against race is racism.
- too stupid to comprehend that supporting a racist party is an endorsement of racism

Yes, rattle off all your usual nonsense responses but realise I have not read a single intelligent point put forward by any BNP supporter in this thread. Frankly, not one of you have done anything other than reinforce my view that BNP supporters are small minded, uneducated fools.
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If you are correct and many feel that something needs to be done about the levels of immigration then who would you recommend that someone who is against the current levels of immigration, and who considers immigration and forced social change to be very important issues, votes for? Which one party (other than the BNP) has made a major issue of immigration?
 
blix said:
It probably harks back to the days of VIRII and cleanbluesky etc. when there were 5 new Muslim threads in GD every day. Also Spie was anti-immigration as I recall which upset some people (not that I care).
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According to the forum search engine VIRII only ever started 5 threads on this forum. 4 of which were related to the XBox 360. One was to do with the capture of British Sailors by Iran. So perhaps not?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/search.php?searchid=7447879
 
vee70 said:
According to the forum search engine VIRII only ever started 5 threads on this forum. 4 of which were related to the XBox 360. One was to do with the capture of British Sailors by Iran. So perhaps not?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/search.php?searchid=7447879
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The search seems to be broken, or doesn't go back more than a certain period because it also says I've only started nine threads, and I've started probably hundreds. But I think it is fair to say that he tended to mostly post his views in other people's threads, more than start his own.
 
Spektor said:
Still, when your campaign message is you can only be British if you're white, spending millions on it won't convince most of that.
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If you were born in Japan would you be Japanese? Or would you be a Japanese citizen? Is there a difference between being "ethnically" Japanese and being a Japanese citizen? Is being "British" the same thing as being a British citizen? It seems to me that plenty of British Citizens describe themselves as Pakistani or Indian rather than British. Could it simply be that different people see the term "British" in different terms? Do you have to look somewhat Japanese to "be" Japanese?
It seems to me that most people apply different rules to being "british" than they apply to people who claim to be African or Japanese in so much as British is not considered to be an historical grouping of people whereas Japanese is.
I am sure that if you went back a mere 100 years then most people around the world would describe a British man as primarily being "white" and as having descendents that were historically from the British Isles. Perhaps all that has changed is that some people have forgotten the difference between "race" and "citizenship".
 
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