**Summer Transfer Thread: News, Rumours and Speculation**
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I'm sorry, but Rooney scored more goals then Bendtner while playing out of position, proof that players aren't automatically awful if played out of position.
"big turd" describing arguably Arsenal's best manager, who has also shaped them to play really beautiful football, that they have become respected for the world over.
I think there are better, yes better, strikers then Eduardo, thats not to say he's a bad player. He didn't start as many games because Wenger felt that he shouldn't be playing him. He is after all fairly good at this being a manager thing.
I've seen him play, I also watch a lot of other world football, so Eduardo being one of the best finishers in the world ? not so sure, there are a lot of very good strikers out there. Maybe you should watch more football
Yes, I'm saying Bendtner is awful, it's not always about time spent on the pitch being a striker, it's about taking chances, I've seen Arsenal quite a bit over the last season and I'd say Bendtner would have being top scorer had he scored half of the chances Arsenal have created for him.
Bendtner has being given more then enough chances in my opinion, and doesn't look like the striker Arsenal need to have. They could do better.
Bendtner has had his first real season this year and mostly been played on the wing. You cant judge a player by one season. Ive watched him when he was playing in the reserves and if he applies himself he could be great this year. And he has a fantastic finish, his problem is that he is a confidence player and when he doesnt start he loses it. He will learn from this with age, as he is still only about 21 i think.
On goals per games I think he will out score Rooney this season.
So rather than just insult eachother lets just see who is right at the end of the season. Everyone has the own opinions and see different things in players.
You certainly cant compare Rooney to Ed as he hasnt been playing properly for nearly two years. Although Ed does still have the better goals ratio for his country i think
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He won't. But, even if he did, it wouldn't make him the better player. And I'm pretty certain if you give Wenger the choice between rooney and bendtner, he would go rooney every single time. He is far and a way the better player, in every aspect of his game.
Bendtner has had his first real season this year and mostly been played on the wing. You cant judge a player by one season. Ive watched him when he was playing in the reserves and if he applies himself he could be great this year. And he has a fantastic finish, his problem is that he is a confidence player and when he doesnt start he loses it. He will learn from this with age, as he is still only about 21 i think.
On goals per games I think he will out score Rooney this season.
So rather than just insult eachother lets just see who is right at the end of the season. Everyone has the own opinions and see different things in players.
You certainly cant compare Rooney to Ed as he hasnt been playing properly for nearly two years. Although Ed does still have the better goals ratio for his country i think
I wasn't insulting DM, I do read all of the posts posted by him normally.
I'm sorry, can't disagree more with you about Bendtner. He's a striker, and if he'd of put away half the million chances that Arsenal have made for him, he'd be top scorer in the league. I remember two or three games where he just missed, had he scored all of those chances in those two or three games he'd have been close to the top scorer in the league. He's being nothing short of embarrassing and awful at Arsenal so far.
I'd much rather see Vela starting over him. He looks a really gem.
Rooney, was an example of a striker playing slightly out of position and still having a successful season, and scoring. I was only comparing them in the "striker out of position" that DM was talking about.
I didn't think we were comparing them because Eduardo had being out for so long
International stats are misleading, You simply don't play enough games at international level compared to you're domestic season
I believe that Franny Jeffers is the all time highest scoring English player in an under 21 competition ? ... funny international stats.Didnt Rooney just score 10 int goals in one season, equaling a long standing english record?
Mirror is usually complete **** but I believe the article has merit about Valencia , Ive seen a few reports in last few hours stating he should be havigna medical today and be unveiled later this afternoon / tomorrow
Would love Utd to go for Aguero and Silva , or even Sanchez from Udinesse who also looks promising
I know a lot of the articles are pure speculation, and there is history of SAF chasing Benzema and possibly Villa also, but I really dont see the point as neither want to actually come to England at all (why try and persuade someone to come to a country they really dont want to - personally think its asking for trouble)
Mirror is usually complete **** but I believe the article has merit about Valencia , Ive seen a few reports in last few hours stating he should be havigna medical today and be unveiled later this afternoon / tomorrow
Would love Utd to go for Aguero and Silva , or even Sanchez from Udinesse who also looks promising
I know a lot of the articles are pure speculation, and there is history of SAF chasing Benzema and possibly Villa also, but I really dont see the point as neither want to actually come to England at all (why try and persuade someone to come to a country they really dont want to - personally think its asking for trouble)
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I wasn't insulting DM, I do read all of the posts posted by him normally.
I'm sorry, can't disagree more with you about Bendtner. He's a striker, and if he'd of put away half the million chances that Arsenal have made for him, he'd be top scorer in the league. I remember two or three games where he just missed, had he scored all of those chances in those two or three games he'd have been close to the top scorer in the league. He's being nothing short of embarrassing and awful at Arsenal so far.
I'd much rather see Vela starting over him. He looks a really gem.
Rooney, was an example of a striker playing slightly out of position and still having a successful season, and scoring. I was only comparing them in the "striker out of position" that DM was talking about.
I didn't think we were comparing them because Eduardo had being out for so long
International stats are misleading, You simply don't play enough games at international level compared to you're domestic season
You contradict yourself. You say Bendtner is a striker and strikers are supposed to score. Then say Rooney had a successful season scoring 10 goals lol
Hate to see his bad season
Jeffers scored his in under 21 level, Ed scores his against world class teams. Bit of a difference.
That's International goals in one season, nothing to do with how many he got for United in all comps
20 for Utd last season according to the BBC, incl 7 European ones and 1 FA Cup strike
You contradict yourself. You say Bendtner is a striker and strikers are supposed to score. Then say Rooney had a successful season scoring 10 goals lol
Hate to see his bad season
Jeffers scored his in under 21 level, Ed scores his against world class teams. Bit of a difference.
Rooney scored 20 goals for united this season, despite injury, and despite being played out of position.
Bendtner with 4 less apps, scored 5 less goals it means nothing.
Bendtner will come good, he's 21, he's only had one full season really and even then he was 4th choice pretty much. 10+ goals for a 4th choice striker is pretty damn good in my books. Don't know why everybody wants to judge and discard all of Arsenal's players before they're even given a proper chance :/
Nice quote I just read from Xavi, spot on
Nice quote I just read from Xavi, spot on
Have just read that Arsenal are linked with Benzema, maybe the journalists feel sorry for Arsenal not being linked with any stars recently or maybe it's true, if it's true (unlikely) then I think that Benzema would be amazing at Arsenal, he already knows half of the team too!
Arsene to spend £25m+ on a player - unlikely , and spending £40m+ in one window (with this holding midfielder thats also coming, the defender already signed) - I just cant see it
Im sure Arsenal have the money if they want to find it - question is will Arsene ask hard enough?
Great quote from Xavi - hopefully Utd can now get back to being a real TEAM
Im sure Arsenal have the money if they want to find it - question is will Arsene ask hard enough?
Great quote from Xavi - hopefully Utd can now get back to being a real TEAM
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SO you can't compare goal scoring records at all ever then? Firstly I'm not sure, Davies probably did miss some games but he played almost every single last game for them, in HIS position and no he's a pretty damn poor striker, 12 goals doesn't mean a huge amount. THe difference is 9 goals, played in a different position almost every game with no form and a changing team dynamic every single week IS good.
AS for Eduardo not starting ahead of Tevez when he's fit, you're quite literally insane. AS for Berbatov, Berb's is a withdrawn striker and plays best with a small fast smart finisher ahead of him, Rooney played better on the wing than upfront, he might not of accepted it, but he's a withdrawn playmaker, not a RVN finisher upfront. the second striker spot for large parts of the season was between Tevez, Macheda and Wellbeck, of which Eduardo is so easily better that its a joke.
People are so utterly ridiculous with how they interpret whats said. By me saying he'd have started(if fit) at Utd, you take that to mean instantly that i'd drop both ROoney and Berbatov, when i would do neither and said neither, but somehow you use that fact as an argument to prove me wrong.
Try reading what i say, rather than what you assume I meant and go from there, it makes things much easier. FOr instance if I said , that Ribery would easily start for Real Madrid does that mean they'd drop Ronaldo and Kaka, Raul and maybe benzema just so he could play, no I mean he's good enough to play alongside those players and would easily start alongside them.
I actually think Eddie and Bendtner should move on, both are fully deserving of first team football and would score a bagfull of goals anywhere, Wengers completely lost his head and I can't see the board removing him anytime soon. Till then we'll continue to neglect the talent in the squad for what Wenger percieves as the starters while we continue to not challenge for any cups. I'd love both to stay, i'd love for them to do well at Arsenal, but I don't think Wenger will have the balls to start them regularly.
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Thats where you're just flat out wrong, there was one game he was slated heavily, he actually played brilliantly, he set up about 8 chances for other players in that very game of which most were also missed, his 3 chances within 10 minutes all came on his left foot, he has no left foot, he didn't shoot 50 metres over the goal, they were just bad shots, every single player in the league has had bad games. THe game after that I believe he scored 2, or got 2 assists iirc. Yes Rooney has missed tap ins, easy goals, fallen over, tripped himself up, missed an open goal with a header and shot 50 yards over the goal, every single player has, multiple times, sometimes you'll have a bunch in one game, and sometimes you'll score a hattrick, one specifically bad game a doesn't make a bad player.
The thing is people see match of the day, which shows the 3 misses and nothing else, he was excellent in his hold up play, bringing other people into the game and everything else he did, defensive headers, etc, etc. 3 misses within a few minutes doesn't ever seem great, but people see that and assume the whole 90 minutes was like that when its a completely and utterly incorrect view.
Its like Eboue, he was back from what, a 2 month injury, no fitness, no form, came on 60 minutes earlier than was intended due to an injury(with other perfectly fit players to choose from on the bench), he played not great, but in no way badly for 45-50mins, then absolutely knackered, visibly out of breath, tired and clearly should have been subbed and was hung out to dry, for 10 minutes the other team took advantage of how clearly tired he was, ran him ragged and Wenger finally took him off after hanging him out to dry. Match of the day showed ONLY those 10 minutes and Arsenal fans crucified him.
Rooney's got pace, IS a winger but doesn't seem to want to accept he'll never be a 30 goal a year striker. He is fast, can play the wing excellently and played great when played their this season. Bendtner actually played better on the right wing than Theo has done, is horrible on the left(no left foot) and isn't nearly as fast as Rooney, its in no way his natural position(unlike rooney) and so Rooney was better there, its not surprising.
I don't think Bendtner is a better player than Rooney everything taken into account, that doesn't make Bendtner a bad player. I don't think Rooney is as good as ROnaldo, that doesn't make Rooney a bad player either.
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Wenger did say recently that he sees this season as a big one for Bendtner. Which is an indication that he isnt going to get another striker like we are being linked with.
I think we should go with him and if he gets a starting position we can see his true form.
I am not why people are still comparing Rooney with his goal tally. Rooney starts most of his games, Bendtner comes on as a sub. One has 80-90 minutes one has 10-20minutes.
Mmm...I wonder who would score more goals?
Hhmm looks like we wont be seeing Eto'o in the Premier League after all, nice to see that if as the article says he's not a mercenary just in it for the cash. Also nice to see City get shot down by another big name as well