most pirated games 2009

[james.miller]

Ah, so now I'm pathetic.

Pathetic comment, i said. There is a difference though now i'm starting to think otherwise.

The fact that you're talking about "my case" (which means what?) shows that you do feel like people are trying to justify their actions to you.

If you feel I don't have anything to prove, why keep mentioning my "case"? You say you don't request me to prove my case, you started mentioning cases in the first place.

Make your mind up.

you mentioned it more than i did i said 'your case' as in 'in your case'. you know? your situation? your circumstances? understand?

As for me not making sense? Is there any need for the snide "not the first time"? What does that have to do with now? If I'm not making sense, ask me to clarify, is that hard?

must be, you didnt ask me before you started with the snide remarks. Pot kettle ect?

Now, if the law is parallel with your own thoughts, why aren't we seeing people getting heavily punished for "piracy"?

when did i say anything about suitable punishment for downloading? when did i say aything to do with punishment?

If it was such an offence, we would definitely see people getting taken to court, successfully over it.

if the law frowns upon piracy so heavily, why does the law do nothing about it?

I haven't seen any one person get "done" for mere downloading, when some one has been in trouble with the law, it's because they have been caught uploading copyrighted material, not downloading it, and inceidently, we're talking about downloads (yeah, I know we're talking about torrents, but the subject is pirating of games).

The law doesnt, as far as i understand, look down on downloading material that heavily. They are primarily targeting the uploaders, and righly so. It makes logistical sense, you go after millions of people or the few people uploading the stuff in the first place? its both easier and more efficiant to do the latter. It'd be a bit of a nightmare going after every downloader, potentially at a cost (to us, lol) far greater than the sum of anything lost through those 'none-sales' if you can call them that.

 

[Tombstone]

I haven't seen any one person get "done" for mere downloading, when some one has been in trouble with the law, it's because they have been caught uploading copyrighted material, not downloading it, and inceidently, we're talking about downloads (yeah, I know we're talking about torrents, but the subject is pirating of games).

To be fair, theres actually been quite a few cases of people getting "done" for downloading. A quick internet search for convicted for downloading music will give you quite a few cases of it

Now, if the law is parallel with your own thoughts, why aren't we seeing people getting heavily punished for "piracy"?

If it was such an offence, we would definitely see people getting taken to court, successfully over it.

if the law frowns upon piracy so heavily, why does the law do nothing about it?

This is most probably for the same reason we dont see the law clamping down hard on people using mobile phones while driving...although its against the law, if they clamped down hard we would end up with 70% of the population in jail

 

[kylew]

To be fair, theres actually been quite a few cases of people getting "done" for downloading. A quick internet search for convicted for downloading music will give you quite a few cases of it

As I said, they've been done for P2P downloads, or, uploading what they're downloading.

They jump on such usages as uploading is the only thing that they can have punished.

 

[Tombstone]

As I said, they've been done for P2P downloads, or, uploading what they're downloading.

They jump on such usages as uploading is the only thing that they can have punished.

Not necessarily, one case for example is someone who downloaded 1 album and was convicted and fined to the tune of over a million dollars for it. (which seems a tad extreme to me, but nevertheless)

There are plenty more cases around of people getting "done" for downloading and not necessarily for large volume downloading either.

Merely playing devils advocate and pointing out that such cases do actually exist. Certainly more than "one person" anyway

 

[Parsley]

I have to say kylew, wherever you go some sort of "heated" forum debate kicks up.

It's not a dig, just an observation, makes things more interesting to read at any rate .

Need to find a Piracy vs Theft smiley now .

 

[britboy4321]

Do you really not understand the legal definition of piracy and theft?

If I told them "aww like I've been like downloading all these games off the internet like" I'd get laughed at and asked to leave the station.

If I however told them that "aww like I've been like going around all these shops and taking games out of the shop that require a payment to leave the store with like" I'm sure they'd want to do something.

And we hit the cruz of the conversation. If you go into a police station and admit to ANY CRIME IN THE ENTIRE WORLD they have a duty of obligation to follow it through, even if the only thing they decide to do is an 'informal warning'.

I'm not sure which I think is worse -- the fact that you think thievery is ok under certain circumstances, or the fact you think THE POLICE think thievery is ok under certain circumstances.

If you have nothing to fear -- give me your real address and I'll shop you to the police and we'll see if they 'just let it go because the police think some thieving ain't worth conviction'.

But of course you won't do that, will you?

 

[Tefal]

To be fair, theres actually been quite a few cases of people getting "done" for downloading. A quick internet search for convicted for downloading music will give you quite a few cases of it

they're either American and were done through bittorent where they do you for the uploads or where also sold not for the actual download (despite the catchy headline).


least that's what the first 3-4 links where about couldn't be bothered looking at the rest

 

[kylew]

Pathetic statement, i said. There is a difference though now i'm starting to think otherwise.

you mentioned it more than i did i said 'your case' as in 'in your case'. you know? your situation? your circumstances? are you struggling to understand?

Sorry? The only time I mentioned "case" was when I said "In that case" when I was talking about a police station.

You started the "no matter what you say, it's not helping your case".

It's so incredibly easy to go back and look you know.

 

[kylew]

I have to say kylew, wherever you go some sort of "heated" forum debate kicks up.

It's not a dig, just an observation, makes things more interesting to read at any rate .

Need to find a Piracy vs Theft smiley now .

I'm vocal about things. To me, that's what a forum's about.

 

[Tefal]

And we hit the cruz of the conversation. If you go into a police station and admit to ANY CRIME IN THE ENTIRE WORLD they have a duty of obligation to follow it through, even if the only thing they decide to do is an 'informal warning'.

I'm not sure which I think is worse -- the fact that you think thievery is ok under certain circumstances, or the fact you think THE POLICE think thievery is ok under certain circumstances.

If you have nothing to fear -- give me your real address and I'll shop you to the police and we'll see if they 'just let it go because the police think some thieving ain't worth conviction'.

But of course you won't do that, will you?

piracy (in the form of downloading for personal use not uploading or resale) = civil issue


Theft = criminal issue.

Piracy in the form of selling copyright material down the local market = criminal issue.

 

[Tombstone]

least that's what the first 3-4 links where about couldn't be bothered looking at the rest

I fear that with 30,000 hits, it wouldnt be a fair sample to merely view 3-4 links in which to form a judgment as to whether or not people have been convicted for downloading. You'd need to do a lot more than that.

Like I say, I am merely playing devils advocate and pointing out that at the absolute least, 1 person has been "done" for downloading. Only needs 1.

As I say though, the overriding question is at what point does something thats self-admittedly morally wrong become acceptable. Thats is the far more interesting social and psychological question than whether piracy is theft or not

 

[kylew]

And we hit the cruz of the conversation. If you go into a police station and admit to ANY CRIME IN THE ENTIRE WORLD they have a duty of obligation to follow it through, even if the only thing they decide to do is an 'informal warning'.

I'm not sure which I think is worse -- the fact that you think thievery is ok under certain circumstances, or the fact you think THE POLICE think thievery is ok under certain circumstances.

If you have nothing to fear -- give me your real address and I'll shop you to the police and we'll see if they 'just let it go because the police think some thieving ain't worth conviction'.

But of course you won't do that, will you?

The police wouldn't consider downloading games off the internet as theft.

That is more the "CruX" of the matter.

But it's actually not theft. It's copy right infringement/piracy.

Calling it theft doesn't mean it is.

As I said, how about calling all forms of assault, attempted murder? Same thing really, no?

 

[james.miller]

Sorry? The only time I mentioned "case" was when I said "In that case" when I was talking about a police station.

You started the "no matter what you say, it's not helping your case".

It's so incredibly easy to go back and look you know.

yes it is, so look back at your own posts to see how many times youve bought it up. ..and what i said still stands.

I'm vocal about things. To me, that's what a forum's about.

it's a good job that not everybody thinks that way, because we'd all be running around throwing our keyboards at each other and calling each other names without taking our own advice first. Image would that would be like - a forum full of kylew's

I'd like to point out as well that correcting spelling possibly isnt the brightest idea when you are making grammatical errors. You know, that pot kettle thing again?

I wonder how many of those MW2 4mil+ would've actually bought the game if they weren't able to pirate it, or are pirates who've been out and bought it since? Not like I'm tryin to 'big up' piracy or anything but the figures dont take this into account.

As do I. It's next to impossible to find out though. The closest you'd get to finding out would be to compare ps3 sales to 360 sales, knowing what the actual number of pirated copies played on the 360 was. But even then it doesnt really tell you anything. If only sony and the publishers could undercut the 360 prices by £10 or so - they'd run away with the market i bet.

 

[kylew]

I fear that with 30,000 hits, it wouldnt be a fair sample to merely view 3-4 links in which to form a judgment as to whether or not people have been convicted for downloading. You'd need to do a lot more than that.

Like I say, I am merely playing devils advocate and pointing out that at the absolute least, 1 person has been "done" for downloading. Only needs 1.

As I say though, the overriding question is at what point does something thats self-admittedly morally wrong become acceptable. Thats is the far more interesting social and psychological question than whether piracy is theft or not

Again though, those people who have been "done", they have been done for the uploading part, not the downloading part.

 

[Tombstone]

If you have nothing to fear -- give me your real address and I'll shop you to the police and we'll see if they 'just let it go because the police think some thieving ain't worth conviction'.

But of course you won't do that, will you?

Mind you, to be fair...he also might not do that because, given that a decent number of internet users have deep psychological and sociological issues, theres a chance you might turn up and firebomb his house

 

[kylew]

yes it is, so look back at your own posts to see how many times youve bought it up. ..and what i said still stands.

I have done, and I only started saying it after you, and when I said it, it was in reference to you saying it.

 

[NVIDIA_x64]

All i have to add to this thread is all pirates are SCUM bags and i never have and never will pirate a game because i like PC gaming

 

[Tombstone]

Again though, those people who have been "done", they have been done for the uploading part, not the downloading part.

Every single one of them?

I am willing to wager that I can find you a case..even if its just 1, it only takes 1, where the person has been "done" for downloading rather than uploading.

 

[kylew]

it's a good job that not everybody thinks that way, because we'd all be running around throwning our keyboards at each other and calling each other names without taking our own advice first. Image would that would be like - a forum full of kylew's.

Full of my what?

As for throwning (?) keyboards and calling names, you appear to be resorting to name calling first, you know, you were the one that started with the "pathetic" names and such.

So, are you sure you are taking your own advice?

 

[skullman]

a forum full of kylew's.

wasnt that a Clint Eastwood film? oh wait