most pirated games 2009

[Tripnologist]

Anyone 'normal' would choose 1 answer

According to your example above then, I'm a sociopath as I would choose 2, not 1.
The girl in 1, which you say most normal people would consider more in the wrong, had asked permission before starting her alterations. She then made a mistake and cut a large hole in the dress.
The girl in 2 may have cut a smaller hole but she didn't have permission and shouldn't have touched the dress to begin with. To me, it seems obvious that she should be the one in the wrong.

 

[uv]

a) what?

You used 'of' instead of 'have' multiple times. Eg. "wouldn't of bought", "wouldn't of got your money".

They decided to charge (yet again) an extortionate price for it

And your point is? It's the sellers choice how much to charge, it's the consumers choice whether to buy. If the product costs too much, you don't buy it. Expense doesn't justify using a product without payment. There's a lot that I can't afford, but I understand that these products are privileges, not necessities. I'm still to play MW2, as I'm waiting for it to be on sale on Steam.

I've had to contact Ubisoft/EA a fair few times now to reset activation limits, but I don't blame the publishers - I blame the necessity for such measures brought on by pirates.

It amuses me that some people are trying to justify software piracy. Sure, pirate all you want - I can't stop you. You don't need to prove to some random internet person that you're doing the right thing, so you're obviously trying to prove it to yourselves.

 

[Final8y]

The thing is that a sociopath is someone that can't work out what is morally wrong and what is morally right for themselves -- they have to be told.

There are people on this board who, I seriously think, are sociopaths. They literally do not think copying someone else's intellectual property is wrong. They can't work out the moral dilemma for themselves. They can't figure out for themselves the stealing is wrong -- they just know what they are supposed to think, so of course sometimes reject it.

My mum did a psychology degree and theres a simple test to see if someone is a sociopath. Consider the following scenario:

1) Girl A asks her mum if she can make some alterations to her mum's dress. Her mum says 'Yes'. She accidenally cuts a LARGE hole in her mum's dress.

2) Girl B does not ask her mum, but chooses anyway to make some alterations to her mum's dress. She accidentally cuts just a SMALL hole in her mum's dress.

NOW -- which girl was the most in the wrong? Girl A or B? Anyone 'normal' would choose 1 answer .. sociopaths always choose the other answer as they don't really understand morally right and wrong internally for themselves -- just what they are told ..

Quite interesting really ...

2 is more wrong because they did not have permission to touch the dress at all, the fact that the hole is smaller is no vindication.

 

[britboy4321]

2 is more wrong because they did not have permission to touch the dress at all, the fact that the hole is smaller is no vindication.

Precisely. Apparently sociopaths will always answer '1' !! So there you go .. it's about whether you understand the morals of the situation or not .. sociopaths just think ''Eek! A bigger hole is much worse than a small little thing"

Try it on your friends -- see if any say '1'! If so -- watch out -- he only knows his wrongs and his rights from what he's been told -- not what he's worked out for himself!

 

[britboy4321]

According to your example above then, I'm a sociopath as I would choose 2, not 1.
The girl in 1, which you say most normal people would consider more in the wrong, had asked permission before starting her alterations. She then made a mistake and cut a large hole in the dress.
The girl in 2 may have cut a smaller hole but she didn't have permission and shouldn't have touched the dress to begin with. To me, it seems obvious that she should be the one in the wrong.

In my post I didn't say the answer sorry for any confusion. I said 'normal people' would say '1' answer. The answer they would give would - of course - be number '2'.

SOCIOPATHS (and kids under 5) will answer '1'

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Tombstone]

The one you really really have to watch out for is the person who gives answer 3

3) Girl C does not ask her mum, but chooses anyway to make some alterations to her mum. She purposefully cuts a LARGE hole in her mum.

 

[Final8y]

Precisely. Apparently sociopaths will always answer '1' !! So there you go .. it's about whether you understand the morals of the situation or not .. sociopaths just think ''Eek! A bigger hole is much worse than a small little thing"

Try it on your friends -- see if any say '1'! If so -- watch out -- he only knows his wrongs and his rights from what he's been told -- not what he's worked out for himself!

To a point as some right & wrongs can be much more complicated.

 

[kylew]

Britboy, you're crazy, seriously.

 

[britboy4321]

Britboy, you're crazy, seriously.

Indeed.

I remember when they were selling 'World of Goo' for 'whatever you thought it was worth'.

Some kid wrote saying 'I really don't understand why everyone doesn't just pay 1p. I mean -- why not -- it just confuses me :\ '.


THAT is a classic sociopath. He doesn't understand the moral dilemma he was faced with when choosing how much to pay. It's not that he chose to IGNORE the moral dilemma -- he didn't understand why ANYONE would pay more than 1p when they could get away with not doing .. Anyone. The moral dilemma completely flew past him - and he thought people that paid £3 were just simply mental because they could have got away with paying 1p. What was right to do (pay what you thought it was worth) was beyond his grasp and people that got it actually confused him. He thought they were also just 'crazy' and it bewildered him. That's a true sociopath.

Actually a surprising number of people all around us suffer from the same issue. People that can't see any moral dilemma when choosing whether to copy games or not, for example.

 

[atpbx]

RE games prices.

I remember buying Team Yankee and Mig 29 super Fulcrum on the Amiga, and both costing £29.99 back then (which would have been what, 1989? 1990) adjusted for inflation thats £59.08p.

Snes Games were impossible to pirate (virtually) and I paid £49.99 for SF2 turbo.
I remember being stiffed £44.99 for Resident evil on the PS1 as well.

 

[MeMeMeMe]

Precisely. Apparently sociopaths will always answer '1' !! So there you go .. it's about whether you understand the morals of the situation or not .. sociopaths just think ''Eek! A bigger hole is much worse than a small little thing"

Try it on your friends -- see if any say '1'! If so -- watch out -- he only knows his wrongs and his rights from what he's been told -- not what he's worked out for himself!

If you think you can identify a sociopath from a simple question like that, then either you or your mother didn't take enough notice of that psychology course.

The fact is, people are complicated, people can have different ideas of what is morally right. There are variations of opinion within which you are normal. Only if you are outside the normal range of response in some very signifcant ways, much more than your opinion on this test, could you be considered a sociopath.

Bear in mind that psychologists with many years of training and experience still have difficulty identifying who is a sociopath or psychopath (sociopaths, especially, because the term means socialised psychopath - they are simply psychopaths who have learned to function well in society)

 

[Tombstone]

they are simply psychopaths who have learned to function well in society

Like Dexter

 

[RizlaKing]

I think one of the biggest reasons why people know it's wrong but continue to do it is because we are talking about products made by some pretty unscrupulous companys in terms of quality of product and customer service once money has been paid.

I like the way britboy won't answer my simple point at all and continues on his sociopath route (though i can't help thinking your saying more about yourself at times then pirates) expecting certain memebers of the human race to all be saints whilst dealing with other members that are out to screw people over left right and centre.

When i first started reading about all this i had the same view as many on here that it is totally wrong and that the full force of the law should be used against pirates but having gone into it a little and talked to people on both sides i now realise this really isn't a black and white iassue with a simple solution.

Talking about putting anything out of business is also not going to work those of us old enough can remember the record companys in the eightie talking about how tape to tape copying would kill them stone dead in a decade and yet year on year they went on to make ever greater profits.

If companys make decent products sold at reasonable prices they will do a lot to curve piracy amongst all but the most ardent "i want it for nothing" person. Also cleaning up their business practices and putting the customer first instead of just their money will also help to harbour a better more trusting feeling between company and customer.

Many companys\devs have got lazy and complacent releasing the same old rubbish over and over with a little tweak here and there and people have seen through it. This issue if it is to ever be sorted as much as it can needs both sides to stop the attacks talk and come to a middle ground of which there is plenty and only by that sort of approach is piracy ever going to be controlled.

Oh and comparing someone that pirates a game, film or music to a pervert is just plain stupid and the fact anyone has to point that out is a sad thing in itself.

 

[Tom|Nbk]

I don't get PC piracy anymore, I mean games are ridiculously cheap on this platform now. Most new releases can be had for 17-20 quid

I guess it's too easy still

 

[Shamikebab]

If companys make decent products sold at reasonable prices they will do a lot to curve piracy amongst all but the most ardent "i want it for nothing" person. Also cleaning up their business practices and putting the customer first instead of just their money will also help to harbour a better more trusting feeling between company and customer.

Many companys\devs have got lazy and complacent releasing the same old rubbish over and over with a little tweak here and there and people have seen through it. This issue if it is to ever be sorted as much as it can needs both sides to stop the attacks talk and come to a middle ground of which there is plenty and only by that sort of approach is piracy ever going to be controlled.

1. Businesses are there to make money, that is always their prime concern.

2. If companies are releasing the same old rubbish over and over....then don't buy it!

 

[RizlaKing]

But a lot of the time you don't know it's the same old rubbish until you have bought it hence why pirating seems to be so attractive to some. Yes of course companys exist to make money and they used to manage to do that without taking customers for granted or giving them crap service i can remember a time when games were finished when released and you didn't install them and find huge bugs or need multiple patches to enjoy the game. But this thread is just going round in circles now everyone's position seems to be clear so not much else to debate really is there.

 

[MeMeMeMe]

Like Dexter

yay Dexter! Great series

 

[Shamikebab]

But a lot of the time you don't know it's the same old rubbish until you have bought it hence why pirating seems to be so attractive to some.

Well that's what reviews and demos are for, not mention the wealth of pre release content we get now including videos and previews.

Yes of course companys exist to make money and they used to manage to do that without taking customers for granted or giving them crap service i can remember a time when games were finished when released and you didn't install them and find huge bugs or need multiple patches to enjoy the game.

Really? When did we have games without patches? Patches have been part of pc gaming for as long as I can remember.

 

[1kiwi]

Well that's what reviews and demos are for, not mention the wealth of pre release content we get now including videos and previews.

To be fair, the early reviews that i read mentioned nothing of the crap IW net performance and unbalenced MP perks / killstreaks. I had to buy MW2 to find this out first hand.

 

[Tefal]

For those saying that piracy is destroying creativity/the industry don't you think this is more destructive to good gaming?

Essentially, Kotick is in thrall to the almighty dollar to the expense of all else. Thus: “In the last cycle of videogames you spent $50 on a game, played it and took it back to the shop for credit. Today, we’ll (charge) $100 for a guitar. You might add a microphone or drums; you might buy two or three expansions packs, different types of music. Over the life of your ownership you’ll probably buy around 25 additional song packs in digital downloads. So, what used to be a $50 sale is a $500 sale today.”

This echoes a statement Kotick made last year when he explained the company’s lack of support for some new games, specifically ones that don’t lend themselves to sequels. Activision, Kotick said, has no interest in games that “don’t have the potential to be exploited every year on every platform with clear sequel potential and have the potential to become $100 million franchises.”

http://www.geeks.co.uk/7282-activision’s-bobby-kotick-hates-developers-innovation-cheap-games-you