Rafa deserves the chance to overachieve with Liverpool again
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Before the start of the season I would've agreed but he was fantastic before he got injured and coped with the likes of Modric and Young with ease so he can defend. Since his injury he's been awful but it's laughable, although expected, for dm to suggest he's been woeful from day one.
What makes his attempts to discredit Johnson even funnier is his constant praise of Richards a defender who a lot of City fans wanted rid of last year because he couldn't defend for ****. What's the real difference between the two players? He likes Richards and hates Johnson.
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I don't think Richards is a good defender either, he's over rated and had a handful of games a few years ago where he looked "alright" with Dunn in defence.
Richards doesn't offer anything near the standard that Johnson offers in regards to going forward.
Johnson isn't good at defending. He's good going forward as I've always said, it's just the denfending that lets him down. He's constantly out of position leaving his flank exposed, the same goes for Richards in that sense.
Richards doesn't offer anything near the standard that Johnson offers in regards to going forward.
Johnson isn't good at defending. He's good going forward as I've always said, it's just the denfending that lets him down. He's constantly out of position leaving his flank exposed, the same goes for Richards in that sense.
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That could be said about a lot of attacking fullbacks. They start their careers as virtual wingers and progress with age and experience in to accomplished defenders.
Johnson's certainly got all of the attributes to become a good defender, just as Richards has, it's just a case of whether he develops in to one.
Johnson's had more then enough time to develope the defensive side of his game.
Maybe, but I constantly see Johnson out of postition and leaving this flank exposed, I don't see it so much with other full backs. Samba Nevs have imporved a lot at this recently, It's something I always spot with full backs and it never fails to annoy me.
They're just defenders who go forward a lot. They should still be good at defending.
Richards is just quite **** going forward, at least with Johnson his big redeeming feature is his attacking ability on the right hand side.
Maybe, but I constantly see Johnson out of postition and leaving this flank exposed, I don't see it so much with other full backs. Samba Nevs have imporved a lot at this recently, It's something I always spot with full backs and it never fails to annoy me.
They're just defenders who go forward a lot. They should still be good at defending.
Richards is just quite **** going forward, at least with Johnson his big redeeming feature is his attacking ability on the right hand side.
Well 7 months ago he was being touted by the media as 'The best right back in England'. He was also included in the Professional Footballers’ Association Team of the Year last year, .....his position....? Right back.
Now he has only started a handful of games for Liverpool and suffered injuries, and all of a sudden he was a poor buy that can't defend... amazing.
Had you of asked me back then I'd have said the same. I've had the same opinion of him since he broke in to the Chelsea side. Didn't see too much of him at West Ham.
He's good going forward but offers very little defensively. He had a good season at Pompy that was all.
I think it's more a choice of "he's the only right back England have got"
He's a £5m defender that cost £20m
Johnson hasn't progressed the defensive side of his game at all since his time with us at chelsea. He has always been good going forward but his defensive frailties have been apparent consistently. He is always caught out of position simply because he over-commits going forward and that was noticeable early on his career and 5 years down the line he hasn't changed. He needs to strike a balance between defence and attack and it's not like he hasn't had time to master this...he's 25. It's the main reason we sold him...simply put he wasn't progressing at all defensively.
Prices of players that meet the 'home grown' ruling will always have an inflated price.
£5m seems harsh. Chelsea and Man city were both tabling offers in the areas of £15 -£20million last summer
Sagna was bought from Auxerre without any premiership experience.
How much will he be worth now to Man Utd, City or Chelsea now that he has established himself in the premier league? If he was british...add on another £5 million
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They're both right backs, I think £8m is the right valuation for Sagna, I think £17m is the wrong one for Johnson. I don't see where I've gone wrong to be honest.
I wasn't talking about what Man Utd, Man City or Chelsea would pay, I was just talking about my own (sensible) valuations. Besides, Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea are hardly the benchmark for normal prices!
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Well, Ronaldo was £12m, so why should anyone pay more than that for any player?
Well they are in this case, because Johnson was signed by a team with CL qualifications as it main ambition. The same as the teams above.
They're RB's, they don't change the world. You don't have to start twisting my words and make your own phrases out of them. I think £9m is right for Sagna, and I think between £5m and £7m is right for Johnson because he's not very good. If you want to dispute anything, I suppose that's my main point. Therefore making him a very poor buy
Edit - Another thing, Johnson hasn't been an improvement over Arbeloa overall imo, and didn't Arbeloa go for like £2m? Hmm
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Yeah but those teams don't really care about money, £30m+ for Berbatov, £25m for Adebayor, £15m for Toure etc. etc. These clubs obviously have more money than sense and therefore I wouldn't cite them as a benchmark!
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Righto. I've not twisted your words and made my own phrases out of them. You obviously just dont get it so I'll just agree to disagree. Same for if you think Johnson is "not very good".
Bringing Arbeloa's value into is pointless because he was in the last year of his contract, wanted to leave and had us over a barrel basically.
Didn't know Arbeloa was in the last year of his contract, wanting to leave has nothing to do with it, Johnson wanted to leave Portsmouth.
I maintain that he isn't very good, to say he's one of the most expensive RB's in history, he's not even the one of the best in the league in current time. That said, I think RB's should be able to defend and some modern managers don't really agree
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