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Well the thing is I can exhaust my triceps really quickly and easily with the two French Press exercises, I don't think I'd actually be able to do anything else. The same with the two bicep exercises really, the hammer curls I put in to work the forearm a bit, and I usually end up using a relatively light weight. Bi's/tri's seem really easy to push to failure, I guess because they are a much smaller muscle.
 
It doesn't from initial viewing look like you have anything which works your hamstrings. Squats and deadlifts don't generally work your hamstrings in quite the same way hamstring curls and stiffleg deadlifts do.

I usually like to do some hamstring curls on leg day, definitely consider them, they feel good.
 
It doesn't from initial viewing look like you have anything which works your hamstrings. Squats and deadlifts don't generally work your hamstrings in quite the same way hamstring curls and stiffleg deadlifts do.

I usually like to do some hamstring curls on leg day, definitely consider them, they feel good.

Deadlifts are mainly a hamstring exercise?
 
Deadlifts are mainly a hamstring exercise?

Lol yeah they definitely are. Sorry exhashdotdot but my hamstrings are probably the muscles in my body I work the most when you combine the squats and deadlifts. Anyway I work out at home and apart from stiffleg deadlifts there's only so much I can do to target them. The SL DL's I will be looking into however, I tried them the other day along with good mornings and I realised just how inflexible I am in that area. But I'd like to at least stick to this current program for a few months and not constantly be changing everything around. Unless there is a major problem with the workout as a whole I didn't plan to change much right now, rather just take any advice I was given and store it for future use.
 
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The SL DL's I will be looking into however, I tried them the other day along with good mornings and I realised just how inflexible I am in that area. But I'd like to at least stick to this current program for a few months and not constantly be changing everything around. Unless there is a major problem with the workout as a whole I didn't plan to change much right now, rather just take any advice I was given and store it for future use.

I'm actually not very flexible either which is why I shy away from the stiffleg deadlifts and good mornings. I'm too scared to do them right now and I don't particularly feel I need them in my current routine as of yet.

I don't know how you guys are aching your hamstrings after squats and deadlifts. I've spent months getting comfortable with my technique (asking fellow powerlifters etc) and I feel i'm quite confident in these exercises.

Squats pretty much ache my entire legs and glutes but don't make my hamstrings cry. Ass to grass.
Deadlifts ache my lower back, legs, glutes and traps but only really grant my lower back sufficient doms, I usually have to do a little extra for the rest.
 
Stiffleg deadlifts - yes

Barbell deadlifts - compound exercise which mainly works the lower back.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/barbell-deadlift

Or you know, you could do a deadlift and confirm this.

With correct form you should feel it mainly in your hamstrings, however it still uses your lowerback quite a bit! Squats also work your hamstrings a lot if your using hip drive properly - see here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yha2XAc2qu8
 
With correct form you should feel it mainly in your hamstrings, however it still uses your lowerback quite a bit! Squats also work your hamstrings a lot if your using hip drive properly - see here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yha2XAc2qu8

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I tend to use the Donkey Kong stance and I mainly feel it in my lower back, less so in my legs, glutes and traps.
 
You need to get your ass a lot lower down for the starting position than that mate. That's probably what's going wrong.

I've always been under the impression (from the powerlifters I've spoken to) that the lower ass is what is used in squats (hence the saying "ass to grass").

Nearly every article and video I've read/watched has commented on not putting your ass so low as it takes the focus off the lower back and onto the legs.

Even the frontcover of Starting Strength has a slightly raised behind for deadlifts.

startingStrength.jpg
 
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I wouldnt say it need to go much lower depending on how long your legs are, but when you dead, focus on pushing your hips forward and driving your feet through the floor., instead of lifting the weight up using your lower back.

Squeeze your glutes as you lift and drive the hips forward. That should bring your hamstrings into the lift more.
 
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I wouldnt say it need to go much lower depending on how long your legs are, but when you dead, focus on pushing your hips forward and driving your feet through the floor., instead of lifting the weight up using your lower back.

Squeeze your glutes together before you lift and drive the hips forward. That should bring your hamstrings into the lift more.

I'll bear that in mind for Friday, thank you ;)


Doesn't seem like Rippetoe wants a lower bum.
 
While you're here handing out advice BennyC can I run my workout past you please :p

Legs:
Back squats
Front Squats
Calf Raises
Walking lunges perhaps as a finishing move?

Back:
Deadlifts
Widegrip Pullups (+chins if pullups didn't go to failure)
T-Bar Rows OR BOR's
ShrugsI like to do these on my shoulder day as I feel I get a lot of trap recruitment from OHP'ing, especially DB seated press with no back rest

Shoulders:
OHP
Side Raises
Front Raises
Reverse Fly
Cleans/Hanging Clean? HC2PP/HC2MP is a good little move
Chest:
Dipsprimarily a tricep exercise though at the right angle this can target the chest
Dumbbell Benchpress
Flies

Arms:
Barbell Curls
Dumbbell Isolation Curls
Hammer Curls
Barbell French Press Do you have a special bar or is thise a straight/EZ bar in which case it's a 'skullcrusher'
Overhead Dumbbell French Press

On the whole it looks good mate. I'm bearing in mind you're training at home so are a little limited.

Don't forget you can always superset exercises for the same & different muscle groups if you fancy a change. Though these combined with dropsets are good try not to do them too frequently as a burnt out CNS isn't good!

I've grouped together the things I do on the same day, so basically the only things I do together are shoulders and chest, everything else gets in own day. However that's not the order I do them in in terms of when they come in the week, I generally will pick one of those groupings based on what feels the most rested.
Anything wrong with that order or exercise choice?

Thanks in advance :)

Sounds good to me. Sometimes it's best to wait till you feel completely fresh, even if it involves a few days rest - where you can do some conditioning or circuits to keep busy, and then train 100%. Nothing worse than training a group that's not full recovered/still tired.

With my fullbody push/pull split I'm quite liking working shoulders & chest together as it means the anterior and lateral delts get a proper good seeing too. Likewise performing rows,pull ups, chins, deadlifts, raises and shrugs gives my whole back a good going over.

Some direct hamstring work such as SLDL or Glute Ham Raises would be good. Deffinatley get on the SLDL, brilliant exercise working your hamstrings, trunk, core and upper back/traps slightly from keeping your torso ridged through the movement, plus it's grip work too when you go heavy enough.

In regards for order what ever works best for you mate. When I trained chest, back, legs & shoulders seperatley it was always in that order. I used to Deadlift at the weekend on my odds & sodds day as I was usually using 80-95% load so was quite taxing.

As long as theres some logic to the order. I found legs after chest and back was good as it gave my shoulders a days rest before training them individually. When training chest & shoulders on their own day it makes sense to have 2-3 days rest between.

Mixing the order up for each group too is good to keep the body guessing and can provide a bit of an aerobic workout. Some weeks do the isolations such as flyes, raises etc first to pre-exhaust, then other weeks do the compounds first. Nothing worse than finding a routine boring!
 
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Mixing the order up for each group too is good to keep the body guessing and can provide a bit of an aerobic workout. Some weeks do the isolations such as flyes, raises etc first to pre-exhaust, then other weeks do the compounds first. Nothing worse than finding a routine boring!


Thanks for the detailed reply Benny.

The lunges are a good idea, I guess I will just have to bite the bullet and do them outside in the street, it's really the only place where there's enough space to do them in. I'll probably swap out the front squats for them on some weeks as I often feel like I'm just wasting time when them as my legs are already so tired from the back squats I have to go to a really low weight.

The shrugs I agree with and in fact sometimes i do do them with shoulders, but because of the amount of exercises I do in that grouping, sometimes I just don't have time and will do them with my back.

The cleans etc I'm not really interested in right now, but I might look into them later in the year if I start to get bored, they look pretty fun to do.

I understand about the dips hitting the triceps but honestly i feel them the most in the chest, in fact they are my favourite pec exercise as I seem to get absolutely mad pump from them and I always go to failure and then at least a full set of negs :p I always try to lean forward as much as possible and take it very slow on the negs so maybe that's why I'm feeling it so much in my chest.

(and yes I guess I am doing Skullcrushers, I didn't realise there was a difference, people seem to use the names interchangeably I've noticed)

The bit I quote above was really what I was asking about when I mentioned the order, I've always thought the compounds were supposed to come before the isolations but I might do as you suggest and mix it up and see how it feels :)

Thanks.
 
What kind of diet/routine would people follow here if they were trying to improve their running?

I run outside every weekend weather permitting, the most I've done sofar is 18k in say 1Hr45, which I would like to cut down a lot, as this was due to a few stops along route(uphill:D)

Bar that, I try to go 3x a week to the gym, and do at least a 5k run each day, though I think I need to mix up my training a lot more, so my body doesnt get used to it - is this thought correct?

Cheers.
 
Thanks for the detailed reply Benny.

The lunges are a good idea, I guess I will just have to bite the bullet and do them outside in the street, it's really the only place where there's enough space to do them in. I'll probably swap out the front squats for them on some weeks as I often feel like I'm just wasting time when them as my legs are already so tired from the back squats I have to go to a really low weight.

Yeah lunges aren't a great mass builder (according to dorian yates if you watched those videos posted) but will help balance and also works the adductors/abductors and I also find I get glute activation too along with the quad. Just make sure your knee doesn't come over your toes. I find sticking the bum out (deadlift fashion) helps to get a better execution. You can do these with DB's down by your sides, on your shoulders, held over head, a barbell on your back, held front squat style or over head for some variation.
The shrugs I agree with and in fact sometimes i do do them with shoulders, but because of the amount of exercises I do in that grouping, sometimes I just don't have time and will do them with my back.

Yeah I've done shrugs with my back workout too sometimes. Behind the back shrugs are good also. Single DB shrugs I like too as you can get a bigger ROM. I always lean slightly foward with a slight bend in the knees while shrugging to take pressure of the spine. I guess this only really is necsary when going super heavy but is a good habit to get into.

The cleans etc I'm not really interested in right now, but I might look into them later in the year if I start to get bored, they look pretty fun to do.

Fair enough, I wasn't keen on them to begin with and the form & technique can be more difficult for some to master than others. Really gives your traps and shoulders a blasting though.

I understand about the dips hitting the triceps but honestly i feel them the most in the chest, in fact they are my favourite pec exercise as I seem to get absolutely mad pump from them and I always go to failure and then at least a full set of negs :p I always try to lean forward as much as possible and take it very slow on the negs so maybe that's why I'm feeling it so much in my chest.

Yeah leaning foward gets more pec & shoulder activation. Try a few with your body a bit more vertical. Looking infront/slightly up can help, as will bringing your knees foward in a knee raise fashion as it changes your center of mavity (making it harder to lean foward), also works the core slightly too.

(and yes I guess I am doing Skullcrushers, I didn't realise there was a difference, people seem to use the names interchangeably I've noticed)

French Press from what I understood has the wrists/fists postioned parralell but with your thumbs facing you, as opposed to facing each other like when gripping a bar.

The bit I quote above was really what I was asking about when I mentioned the order, I've always thought the compounds were supposed to come before the isolations but I might do as you suggest and mix it up and see how it feels :)

It is more logical to do compounds first as these build more mass than isolations due to being bigger movements and recruiting more fibres. So for people wanting to build lots of mass these are key and to then finish off with isolations.

If for example you find that your triceps are dominant in pressing despite trying different grips you can pre-fatigue the triceps making them a little more tired placing more load onto the primary muscle being worked which should be either delts or pecs. Same can go for biceps with pulling exercises. Though I find using a false grip and pulling from the elbows removes a lot of bicep work as does proper retraction of the scapulas (shoulder blades)
 
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