Is it time to sack Wenger?

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As a neutral (BCFC) I think it would be crazy to sack Wenger but that depends on what the club wants to do. My understanding is that for long-term financial competitiveness Arsenal needed a new stadium. This created a financial drain away from player funding at exactly the same time that Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool and Man City were throwing big money around (albeit in different quantities). To achieve what Arsenal have done and I believe this is purely down to Wenger and Pat Rice is simply amazing.

I feel the criticism that I would label at Wenger is that he has maybe taken things too far. He now wants to play the attractive football without the massive expenditure. The question remains whether his philosophy will actually take Arsenal that extra few yards it sometimes needs. For me the question would be if the Chairman offered 250 million (lets say hypothetically they could get this amount) to Wenger to buy that extra edge would he do so. If they had that money and his philosophy prevented him from doing so then it is time for him to go but whilst they don't have that kind of money can anyone else really offer Arsenal any better. I don't think so - Arsene is a great manager however I will add the caveat again that he strikes me as being inflexible in regards to how he thinks the game should be played and managed. Compared to say Ferguson who is quite flexible but for me has not really succeeded in the transfer market in the main.
 
I can't stand the man but Arsenal would be stupid to sack him. I think the reason he does not spend big money is because Arsenal don't have big money to spend as they seem to be trying to pay for the stadium and get out of debt (something they should be applauded for). Talk of 30 million to spend all the time is just talk. Until Arsenal are in a position to actually spend big money rather than just say money is available then the results they are getting now are as good as they can expect and perhaps if he could get a goalkeeper they might win some silverware.

As for DM taking over as manager, his press conferences would probably make more sense than Wenger moaning about teams not rolling out the red carpet and standing back admiring Arsenal's football. Wengers calls for more protection for goalkeepers is laughable.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
i'd give drunkenmaster the job, at least that way we wouldn't need to read his mini stories he publishes daily :D
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LOL dear god no...

Sacking Wenger is the worst thing that could possibly happen to Arsenal and anyhow they wont sack him...he will either walk or take a higher position within the club.
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
We have plenty of ambition and this season in my opinion the players haven't really been hungry enough. As soon as Fabregas got injured we looked like a team who didn't really care about the outcome of the remaining matches, the only player who looks like he wants to win every game and take every 3 points is Sol Campbell at the moment. Sure, Wenger is turning a bit of a blind eye at the goalkeeper situation but he didn't buy in January because there wasn't a massive problem in January.

Almunia has never been an amazing goalkeeper but he's a decent shot stopper and he'd make a good back up goalie, you have to look at the entire team when we concede goals, not just the goalkeeper. Our defence has leaked way too many times this season and Wenger has already come out with a few quotes saying we have given away too many goals and you don't win the league with this amount of goals scored past us so clearly he is aware of the things he needs to change and work on in the summer.
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Which is what i have been trying to say...its easy to blame the GK when our defence doesnt give the GK's we have much confidence ie not being able to clear the ball or giving away stupid silly fouls on the edge of the box. Everything has been going pear shaped since we lost Fabregas then losing Vermaelen for the rest of the season....but honestly we shouldnt have rolled over like we did against Wigan and Blackburn...that was just beyond pathetic in all honesty.

Yes our GK's arent world class but i feel we need to work on our defence first...make the defence like it was back 7-8 yrs ago where it was near impossible for teams to score against us....at the moment we are far too weak in the back and kudos to Campbell, who at 35 we cant rely on too much but at least hes doing the best he can unlike that ****ing bald headed frenchie Silvestre...whos probably the worst defender i have ever seen...utterly clueless and doesnt fit into the side at all.
 
Spawn said:
LOL dear god no...

Sacking Wenger is the worst thing that could possibly happen to Arsenal and anyhow they wont sack him...he will either walk or take a higher position within the club.
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THIS.

If he gets the sack the board know most of arsenals key players like fabregas,rvp.... will want out too .
 
drunkenmaster said:
Hodgeson, Ranieri, Moyes possibly, Hiddink, Riikaard did very well at Barca, playing the right football, won the CL.
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Hodgson i wouldnt mind seeing take over from Wenger as hes done an absolute superb job at Fulham taking them to the final of the Europa cup. Ranieri and Moyes??...nah they havent won anything or have anything to their CV that would make me think they would win anything if they came to Arsenal. Hiddink and Rijkaard?? wouldnt mind seeing them but they would want a huge transfer budget, which we may or may not have.

Jambo said:
I'm not sure off the top of my head but I'm sure there a loads of continental managers who could do a good job at Arsenal. There should be a few available after the World Cup. Maybe even Capello, Del Bosque? Pellegrini maybe?

Arsenal do need to make some transfer funds available as well though.
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Again Capello would want a massive transfer budget...Del Bosque is currently managing Spain so cant see him coming and Pellegrini??...lol he cant even get Real Madrid to play properly to win things so wouldnt want him at Arsenal...again he would want a huge transfer budget.
 
beachBOYken said:
THIS.

If he gets the sack the board know most of arsenals key players like fabregas,rvp.... will want out too .
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Of course RVP, Fab, Arshavin...and a few others would leave or ask to leave.

a lot of our current players are at Arsenal because of Wenger...without Wenger we wouldnt have players like Fab or RVP.
 
No, and this sacking culture needs to stop too, I don't think it's right when you can't prove that the person you're sacking is entirely at fault. Even when they are, people make mistakes, which doesn't mean they're not the best for the job. Besides, if Wenger goes that would cause upset and even some people leaving with him.
 
Give him another job rather then day to day coaching of the team. Sacking him would be ridiculous.

That said, Benitez is probably looking..
 
Its questionable whether usually being 3rd in the EPL and sometimes doing well in the cups IS in the interest of the club though. Yes AW practically gaurentees no worse than 3rd which is good - maybe very good - but to buy one £30 m player every 2 - 3 years would seriously improve their chances and their income , more likely further in the cups = more tv revenue and £££ prize and same for EPL finishing position
 
thing is, when you review the quality at the back, it has gone downhill.

no serious team can have sol campbell, silvestre and one of fabianski or the other clutz they use in goal. 10 years ago the defense was better than that!

the midfield is too young and they are all too inexperienced.

its only up front that wenger has really strengthened by adding more quantity with quality.

so should he be fired? is it his fault?

WILL IT CHANGE whilst Wenger remains in charge?
 
Spawn said:
Only thing i have to say is regarding the GK situation...surely if our defence was more solid then that in turn would give Almunia or Fabianski more confidence....today i thought Fab played pretty well..first goal in all honesty shouldnt have stood as he was clearly pushed and when he got up he was clearly out of position...the second goal i didnt see to be honest as i had to pop out. Anyhow my point is that our defence, which in the past has been our key to our many successes just isnt good enough...hate to say it but since Cole left we have been left a bit wanting...Clichy is ok but hes never been as good as Cole...perhaps Wenger should have paid him more and not have let him go to Chelski a few yrs back.

But i do agree with you in that we have to get rid of the players who just dont perform ie Edu, Diaby, Denilson, Silvestre...amongst a few others as well. No point in keeping players who perform a few times out of 30 odd games.
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I think the trouble with Clichy is that the 451 setup doesn't suit him. He's a lot better in a 442; we play a formation that doesn't seem to suit a few of our players.

I don't think throwing money at Ashley Cole would have left us any better. Yes, the guy's world class, however he plays in that one position only. Like most English players (e.g. Pennant, Bentley etc.) under Wenger the guy's a **** and to be fair our manager's a history of getting rid of such players quickly; the more money for them the better I suppose and don't forget that Cole's valuation was very high. In terms of money Cole was lucky that the offers for him were from England. He was always going to be over inflated slightly and the wages he wanted as a result would have been more than we can afford and would have ruined the structure. Don't forget too, while Maureen went and turned Cole's head, Clichy had really started to emerge. Lauren and Flamini both were adequate replacements at LB as well.

That's not to say at times Wenger shouldn't be afraid to break the structure. Years ago I remember him going to the board and asking that Pires, Henry and I think Vieira be given massive wages citing just how good they were. It's something he should have done many years later to keep Flamini, though to be fair like Anelka at a young age the arrogant tit seemingly does what he wants.

K1LLSW1TCH said:
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What's your view on Chamakh? I haven't seen him play at all but Wenger rates him and he's desperate to play for us. A lot of times this season I've watched in frustration as we play excellently up to their 18 yard box and then just prance around the outside for a bit, doing nothing until we concede possession and gift a goal on the counter. :mad:

We definitely need more firepower up front and Wenger needs to go with something that suits our current squad better. I hate the 4-3-3 we play at the moment, it always seems really stretched and we shouldn't have to rely on Sagna and Clichy to constantly cross into the oppositions box, when we are countered on it means we only have Song, Vermaelen and Gallas back to help at best, and at worst only Gallas and Vermaelen.
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It's odd that seemingly nobody made concrete steps to get him this past January or last summer. He's being allowed to leave on a free now as well. Fine for me I suppose as that will mean he's cheap. Not only that, but with 17, then 18 goals this season he's got a few under his belt, and being 25 he's not too young.

I guess it'll mean that either Eduardo and/or Vela will leave. Not only are they lazy, but with us playing mostly a 451 formation they're just not going to get the pitch time they need. Bentdner was lucky because with RvP out he pretty much had no competition for his place and could take the time he needed to mature a bit. He was a lot better than both of them and really is at the moment, second for the striker spot. My point is, even with some games under them, I don't think either will make it which is a pity for Eduardo especially. Adding to that point is the fact they are very small unlike Bendtner.
 
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FrankJH said:
Its questionable whether usually being 3rd in the EPL and sometimes doing well in the cups IS in the interest of the club though. Yes AW practically gaurentees no worse than 3rd which is good - maybe very good - but to buy one £30 m player every 2 - 3 years would seriously improve their chances and their income , more likely further in the cups = more tv revenue and £££ prize and same for EPL finishing position
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I feel we've been weaker the past 4 or 5 years obviously because of the building of Ashburton Grove. We haven't really been able to splash out on a top player of that price tag, you know, the David Villas, Ribery's, Robben's, we haven't had that kind of spending power. After reading that piece on our finances though it appears this summer we should have some decent money at our disposal and Wenger knows who he wants to buy. Chamakh is on a free and is certain to come to us, I've no doubt about that which leaves us with around £30 million or so at an educated guess, which means we have plenty of money now especially as Wenger has publicly said that bringing in more than 3 players in a single transfer window is a huge risk, and I totally agree, I also think we are only 2 or 3 players short of being genuine league contenders, at the moment we obviously don't have the cut and thrust of Chelsea and we don't have the street wise players of Utd who can pull things out of the bag time and time again.

If Wenger sticks by his theory and goes with 3 players in this window then that leaves us with almost the full 30 mill to spend on two ready made players. For my money I would try my best to bring in Hugo Lloris and a defensive partner for Thomas Vermaelen. If Wenger goes against his words and buys more than 3 then I would also bring in Kjaer, a young defender from Palermo and somebody to hold the midfield to give Song a break now and then, someone like Felipe Melo perhaps.
 
Question is is one more "gaurenteed" £30m player (given you are getting somoeone on a free transfer) a better bet than 2*£15m or 3*£10m players?

Given the freebe, I would actually be tempted to go for the more gaurenteed player - simply because cheaper buys are a much more bigger gamble / or require time to develope (usually). IF AW does actually spend £30m, which would be a big change from most years, wouldnt the supporters expect a drastic improvement on final league position - rather than more of the same "oh its a young side neading developement /so many bad injuries "?

edit - I have no way of knowing for sure, but there were contradictory press releases from AW / Board members whether there was a lot more/ wasnt a lot more money to be spent last summer
 
Two proper Prem quality central defenders should come in at under £20m. Leaving another £10m of this magic £30m amount for a DM.
 
FrankJH said:
Question is is one more "gaurenteed" £30m player (given you are getting somoeone on a free transfer) a better bet than 2*£15m or 3*£10m players?

Given the freebe, I would actually be tempted to go for the more gaurenteed player - simply because cheaper buys are a much more bigger gamble / or require time to develope (usually). IF AW does actually spend £30m, which would be a big change from most years, wouldnt the supporters expect a drastic improvement on final league position - rather than more of the same "oh its a young side neading developement /so many bad injuries "?

edit - I have no way of knowing for sure, but there were contradictory press releases from AW / Board members whether there was a lot more/ wasnt a lot more money to be spent last summer
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Hard to say as in the past Wenger doesnt like splashing out mega money on one or 2 players ie has he ever spent more than £25mill on a platyer since taking over at Arsenal??...i dont think he has and i dont think he will...hes very astute like that...he will buy good decent players for a cheap fee then tyr and turn them into world class players ie Viera, Henry, Pires and now Fabregas...could say that Ramsey will be a world class player at some point but hard to say after his leg break.

Ive heard figures of £30-£50mill being thrown about but no one really knows just how much Wenger has to spend other than himself and the Arsenal board.

But he does definitely need to strengthen our defence and get a world class GK...midfield i think we are ok and upfront with Chamakh coming on a free...should strengthen it up even more. But get rid of Edu and Vela and a few others...need to start cashing in on some of our fringe players.
 
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