Is it time to sack Wenger?

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dante6491 said:
I can see Almunia, Silvestre, Gallas, either Clichy or Sagna, Denillison, Arshavin, Rosiky, Vela and Eduardo being offloaded.

We will need a new first choice Keeper, with Fabianskia and Mannone competing for second choice, with Woznech Snezki (Our Polish wonder kid), as second choice the following year. Two more CB, one first choice to partner Vermallen, and a back up to cover with Djourou. I am favouring Hangeland from Fulham who is a big strong lad, and Michalik from Leeds. Michalik isn't the youngest tool in the shed but with some training from a top notch side he could be great.

One more defensive midfielder is a must. If Song improves as much as he has done this season again he will be truly world class and I would be tempted to play him in a world XI. No idea who would fit the bill though. A midfielder to replace Arshavin/Denillson would be good, preferably someone who works on the left wing. I still remember Pires and Cole/Clichy rampaging down there game after game.

Finally a second striker to come in with Chamaka, someone who can have a good lash from the edge of the area and also be there to score the tap ins.
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your basically saying the whole team needs to be changed bar 4/5 players
 
Spawn said:
That i dont agree with ie him storming off...think its pretty pathetic of him to do things like that...i mean Blackburn just simply out-played us and we couldnt cope with it...not Blackburns fault that they out-played us for most of the match.
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Apart from the fact that fabianski was travelling backwards through the air when he jumped for the ball during the second goal.

Anyway, back to the question. I think it would be wrong to sack him. Wenger will go when he thinks it is time and he honestly can't see him doing anything else. At the end of the day, they finished 3rd with a stupid ammount of injuries. You can't fault them for that. A few purchases during the closed season should determine what will happen to Wenger at the end of the next football season. He has already said he is going to purchase some players. If they prove to do nothing, then he will decide to stand down. IIRC his contract is up after the next season isnt it?
 
leaskovski said:
Apart from the fact that fabianski was travelling backwards through the air when he jumped for the ball during the second goal.

Anyway, back to the question. I think it would be wrong to sack him. Wenger will go when he thinks it is time and he honestly can't see him doing anything else. At the end of the day, they finished 3rd with a stupid ammount of injuries. You can't fault them for that. A few purchases during the closed season should determine what will happen to Wenger at the end of the next football season. He has already said he is going to purchase some players. If they prove to do nothing, then he will decide to stand down. IIRC his contract is up after the next season isnt it?
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I dont know as i didnt see the second goal in all honesty...just saw the first one where he was pushed but fair play to Blackburn they just bullied us again and it seems that other teams do exactly the same to get a result out of us.

Wenger cant complain about it, he needs to beef up our defence quickly....so that we bully other teams into submission.
 
dante6491 said:
I can see Almunia, Silvestre, Gallas, either Clichy or Sagna, Denillison, Arshavin, Rosiky, Vela and Eduardo being offloaded.
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I agree with some of those but not all. Clichy and Sagna are very, very important players for us and both left back and right back are problem positions for us, I only really see Sagna or Eboue playing at right back and both do a good job. Clichy has had injuries to deal with but when he's in form he's one of the best left backs in the EPL so I don't think I'd want to be selling him, we've got Gibbs and Traore as back up as well which are both handy players to have. Almunia I would keep as my second choice GK because on his day he's good, he's always been good at stopping shots he just has problems commanding the penalty area and bossing the defenders around.

Denilson I would also keep, he could be one for the future and definitely a decent back up to have although of late he's had some games where you wouldn't even know he was on the pitch, still no reason to sack him. Arshavin has had a frustrating season and he deserves next season to show what we know he's capable of. He's arguably Russia's best player and a very handy player to have in our squad, when he feels up for it he's got decent pace, trickery, he's good from dead balls and has got one heck of a shot on him from both feet, oh, and I love him. :D

Gallas we need to hang onto if possible, he's an excellent player and definitely not one to offload, if he leaves and doesn't resign then that's upto him but I hope he's happy going to play for Paris Saint Germain because that's all he's really going to get at his age. Also I don't agree with Vela being sold, he's got a lot of potential and we need to keep players like him back at the club to progress, he's still only very young remember and in fairness he's only had 1 start all season iirc.

Definitely agree with Silvestre and Eduardon't being shipped out, I'm not sure on Rosicky, seems like a good back up option but not a starter in my eyes.


dante6491 said:
Finally a second striker to come in with Chamaka, someone who can have a good lash from the edge of the area and also be there to score the tap ins.
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We've got one, he's called Nicklas Benderboy. Although tbh I don't think Wenger is going to add more than 3 players in this transfer window and I'm sticking by that opinion. Let's say Chamakh, a new CB and a new midfielder or goalkeeper and I'd be happy. Can't wait to see RVP next season and here's hoping he doesn't end up getting injured in the WC although sods law he will.

jakeke said:
Apparently Wenger is extending his contract a further 2 years
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Good news.
 
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dante6491 said:
Iand Michalik from Leeds. Michalik isn't the youngest tool in the shed but with some training from a top notch side he could be great.
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He really couldn't he is terrible. Way too slow and can't make decisions quick enough. Even with Premiership quality coaching I doubt he would be made into a Premiership quality defender.

His height is all he has going for him and even then he's not that good at heading the ball.
 
A decent goalkeeper, back up centre half, extra striker but most importantly Wenger needs a defensive minded ball winner in the centre of the park!

Irrespective of the odd decent showing by various players they have never replaced Viera!

Food for thought too...... would ANY of the top half of the premiership play Bendtner week-in week-out??? - I'll save you some time - no they wouldnt!!

StevieP
 
Killswitch, Sagna is awful, truly awful this year, he hasn't shown 1/2 the quality he did in his first season his 2nd was pretty poor and he's been awful all this season. He's constantly out of position, he's constantly deeper than the rest of the back line, we've conceded a half dozen goals in the past 5-10 games directly down to him playing people onside when he shouldn't have been.

His crossing is embarassing and interplay with whoevers on the right wing has also been ruddy awful.

CLichy however has been fantastic in all but about 3 games right when he got back from injury in our toughest run against the fastest wingers in the league, even then the final couple games in that run he was massively improved.

Denilson has been awful since we changed him from offensive to defensive, he's awful at it. I'll still stick by the idea he MIGHT be able to get back to his old passing game if he gets to play at it and train at it for a while, but as defensive cover he's no where near premier league quality.

Gallas is fantastic but will likely leave, as for his age, 32 is NOT old, its certainly not old for a centreback and Roma is likely where he'll be next year, Roma who could well be the Serie A champions this year, hardly a step down. Roma have been fantastic since Ranieri took over, whose interested and thats who it was that took Gallas to Chelsea.

Eduardo's great, as is Vela, neither will get better or get form when they aren't played, if we aren't willing to play them, we may aswell sell them and save the wages.

It looks more and more likely we're getting Chamakh, despite having switched to a single striker system, and having nothing but central role prefering players in the squad. Vela, Eddie, Theo, Bendtner, RVP are all already competing for one position, and realistically Arshavin, Nasri are both best as withdrawn strikers in the middle, and Rosicky is really a central player aswell. They should all be competing for two striker slots, as it is, they are competing for one and most aren't getting played, I see no reason to get another striker on a high wage for him to sit on the bench. Chamakh is NOT as good as RVP, frankly if we sign him, it could well be a sign RVP will be cashed in on as we had offers the last two years and RVP only resigned a contract on the promise of really pushing for titles.
 
StevieP said:
Food for thought too...... would ANY of the top half of the premiership play Bendtner week-in week-out??? - I'll save you some time - no they wouldnt!!

StevieP
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He doesn't play week-in, week-out at Arsenal. Most teams in the Premiership would have him as back-up though, no doubt.
 
You'd have to injure 2-3 players for Manjoo or Chelski before you got to a player of Bender's 'quality'... Arsenal scraped the barrel after 1 - hence why I don't get why some Gooners are going on about selling a striker after Chamakh comes in.
 
guyfawkes5 said:
You'd have to injure 2-3 players for Manjoo or Chelski before you got to a player of Bender's 'quality'... Arsenal scraped the barrel after 1 - hence why I don't get why some Gooners are going on about selling a striker after Chamakh comes in.
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That would be stupid as it would put us back in the same situation should both RvP and Chamakh be unavailable.
 
StevieP said:
A decent goalkeeper, back up centre half, extra striker but most importantly Wenger needs a defensive minded ball winner in the centre of the park!

Irrespective of the odd decent showing by various players they have never replaced Viera!
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We already have Alex Song who is looking very promising, one of our best players this season and although I do agree that we need another DM to back him up. We should have kept Flamini tbh.

I don't agree with DM about Sagna. He doesn't always beat his man, he doesn't always deliver good crosses but he's quick and he does donkey work as well. The only other player who can realistically play that position week in week out is Eboue and I think he is better utilised further up the pitch. Also, Eduardo is not great in any regard. Before the leg break he was hitting form and he looked very sharp but after that he's got no confidence at all, every game I've seen him in since he looks well short of being a great anything, I still will be referring to him as Eduardon't. To be honest the nicest thing for him right now would be to loan him to a Brazilian club, he did say he'd love to play in Brazil one day. That's a win-win for us.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Sagna is awful, truly awful this year, he hasn't shown 1/2 the quality he did in his first season his 2nd was pretty poor and he's been awful all this season.
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What? He's made 5 assists this season. He made 4 in his first season. Only Baines, Evra and Mears have made more assists with 9, 7 and 6 respectively. IMO Sagna has been one of the few consistent players in our squad this season and I actually feel bad that his effort hasn't been rewarded.
 
I think that they should keep Wenger as how many people wrote us off for a top 4 finish at the start of the season, we've made £22 million in the last 3 years from transfers but need to dip into the market in the close season.

We haven't had a fit squad all season and its due to the fact that we don't have strength in the reserve players as most get loaned out and we're a bit thread bare.

Lets bring a defender and keeper in, and instead of playing such expansive football at all times learn how to shut up shop against teams.
 
Wenger needs to get back to fielding the type of team that brought him success and trophies and drop this ridiculous fascination he has with trying to win things with a team of young midgets.

If you took his side from the start of the decade, with Henry, Vieira, Seaman, Adams, Keown, Bergkamp etc etc, it would give his current side such a hiding its untrue. Because somewhere along the line he drastically changed the way he builds a team.

His previous sides could just steam roller opponents, his sides of the past two or three years bob their kecks if someone so much as brushes past one of them.
 
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