Is it time to sack Wenger?

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In what world will two top quality defenders cost 20m??

This one. They need to be Prem quality, not CL quality. Arsenal can't (and don't) buy CL quality. Wenger just improves them.

Smalling cost somewhere in the region of £8m. Vermaelen was about the same, maybe a little more. Villa signed Collins for about £5m. Heitinga about the same. They could all do a job from what I've seen...
 
If Arsenal don't challenge/win something big next year then talks should be had before his contract renewal. I would never sack him though.
 
They'll never sack him, Arsenal and their fans just seem content with winning nothing and spending no money as long as it keeps them in the top 4 playing 'their brand of football'

I do expect with Chamak them to be a much bigger threat than this season although having said that Arsenal's problem this season (up until recently when their players knew they were playing for nothing) hasn't really been beating the lesser teams without RVP it's been being completely outclassed when playing against United and Chelsea - not sure just having someone who's actually a striker is going to make all that much difference if I'm honest.....

Still think they'll be better next season though albeit so will United & City so it still might not be enough for them to win the league
 
^^ thats why i say its their midfield and defence, plus keeper who are the problems...too young, lightweight and not good enough. unless that gets fixed you could bring in RvN and you still wouldnt finish any higher in the league...
 
They'll never sack him, Arsenal and their fans just seem content with winning nothing and spending no money as long as it keeps them in the top 4 playing 'their brand of football'

You really do come up with the most idiotic posts regarding Arsenal...

Im not happy at all with us not winning things...this yr we definitely hit above our weight so to speak as we sold a few players in the off season ie Ade and Toure to City and really only signed Vermaelen.

In fact i would most if not all our supporters arent happy with us winning things but we wont win titles and trophies if Wenger doesnt address our weakenesses ie defence for sure and our goalkeeper situation...which he says hes pointed out so ill wait till he does something about it. But next season is probably going to be make or break...i cant see RVP, Fabregas or a few others wanting to stick around if we are going to be battling yr in yr out for 3rd or 4th place.

And if you knew anything about Arsenal and the way they conduct business....we dont spend £20+mill on a player...never have and probably never will. It isnt the Arsenal way, maybe its the Utd way or Chelski way but that wouldnt work for Arsenal as Wenger has been operating on a budget thats made us one of the richest clubs in football and with the budget he has operated under we have done very very well...so who knows maybe he will go and spend £20+mill on a player this summer but we wont know until the transfer window in the summer time and seeing as its WC year....hes made it quite clear that he wont shell out stupid amounts of money for someone who shows a flash of brilliance for 3 weeks but before that was largely incognito during the season.

Its definitely a case of 'In Wenger We Trust'...other than a few disgruntled fans we have been for the past 5 yrs or so been doing well to finish in the top 4 yr in yr out and also qualify for CL yr in yr out.
 
You're an idiot. He's achieved nothing... except being the most successful manager in our great clubs history.

Apologies as I did mean recently so yes I am an idiot for not saying that. He has achieved nothing in the last 5 years or so. If top 4 finishes is what Arsenal are satisfied with then fine keep him on. Otherwise change is needed in my opinion.
 
So Wenger could buy those two right now for 20m?

Unless you mean before hand in which case they weren't top class defenders yet. Hence why I said unless he unearths a gem :p

well if someone came in with a serious bid of 20m for evra? chances are we would sell him.

vidic, maybe - maybe it would take more? but yes they are 2 examples of decent defenders who would cost a lot. and how much did say maicon, or alves would cost similar if not more too...
 
I don't think we'd sell Evra if a 20m bid came in, I hope to god I'm right.

I would also hope thats the case - especially given what he said a few days ago

Im worried about the Vidic contract running down (which I dont think Utd will allow happen), so £20m might get him - but I would hope for more with an inflated WC market
 
I think you would have to be mad to even think about getting rid of him, he might not have won the league this season or the last 5 seasons, but then look at what he is up against and still manage a Top 4 finish year after year. And then look at Liverpool.

And for like 30 games this year he is missing his best striker in RVP, the guy when fit, should knock in 20+ goals a season without a problem. And even without him, Arsenal was within a chance still of winning the league right up to 2 weeks ago !!! Did anyone actually think that at the start of the season? Everyone expected ManU or Chelsea to win it, the Liverpool fans might of thought they had a chance but by September they had lost more games than they did entirely in the last season they knew it was over.

Arsenal's players WILL mature, and it is Chelsea and Manchester United should be worried. I won't be surprise in a year or two's time it is Arsenal and Man City who are fighting for the league. The have against the have nots, in a way (if you can call Arsenal the Have nots).
 
Arsenal's players WILL mature, and it is Chelsea and Manchester United should be worried. I won't be surprise in a year or two's time it is Arsenal and Man City who are fighting for the league. The have against the have nots, in a way (if you can call Arsenal the Have nots).

You know of course Utd reserves won the league this year - I know there is still a step up to the EPL proper, but I think our kids are on the right track (even if only two or three come in to replace the older players with no obvious replacement in current 1st XI squad)

Means absolutely squat at the moment I know, but cant really ask for more

Of course Arsenal's squad will mature - but its a winning mentality that Chelsea and Utd have, that is being "grown out" of the Arsenal squad due to older players who have won something on their last legs, and youngsters used to being pipped at the post.

Looks like some of Chelsea's younger players will win at least the EPL this season, Utd's already have last year and the year before. Without Gallas and Silvestre and Sol (and Fab potentially teetering on the edge of leaving) who has won any big prizes?
 
He's only got a year left on his current deal, I think they should just see what he comes up with next season and then don't renew his contract if he hasn't delivered. If you look at the main two trophies this season, he got knocked out of CL by the reigning champions (no shame in that) and currently the only sides ahead of him in the league are Chelsea and MU (again, pretty much par for the course). Given the injuries he's had to suffer I'd say he's pretty much done what was required, assuming there isn't a disaster on the final day he should finish above Man City, Spurs, Liverpool, Villa and Everton who are his main rivals for CL football.

The one single advantage there might be from sacking him this summer is that with it being World Cup year there's more chance of good managers being available once it's over compared to 2011. But then you'd be in a situation where the new guy comes in late and doesn't have much of an opportunity to stamp his mark on the squad before the new season kicks off in any case.

If you listen to Arsenal fans there is quite a wide spectrum of opinion on different players that Wenger has tried, which indicates that things maybe aren't quite as clearcut as it would first appear in terms of what errors he has made. A lot of people seem to rave about Vela but for me he just doesn't have the presence in games, he's one of the most anonymous forwards I've seen at Arsenal in years. Games just pass him by and in my opinion this idea that you need to continually grant underperforming players a huge run of games in the side simply doesn't cut it. Arsenal don't have the luxury of being able to carry passengers for 3, 4, 5 games while they are trying to get to grips with the EPL. The best players, the real geniuses, come in and grab any opportunities they are given with both hands and get themselves noticed. Eduardo, looked the business before his injury - but crucially, he wasn't starting every week then either. Before, he was a bit-part player who looked good in front of goal. Now, he is a bit-part player he is offering very little to the team.

Then the likes of Walcott, you have to say maybe there is some stubborness about Wenger's persistence with him. Plenty of fans seem to have #14 on the back but in all honesty you have to question of all the games he's been given, how many times has he delivered genuinely good performances? His crossing is woeful at times, his shots are often scuffed pearollers, he has no composure - basically the only thing you can rely on is his pace.

I think this summer what I'd like to see would be to bring in a decent keeper to replace Flappyhandski, two centrehalves (at least one top notch to partner Vermaelen, ideally Gallas), a defensive midfielder and a striker. For me we don't really have any problems with fullbacks, widemen or creative midfielders (if everyone is fit, which is a big if, as it's gotta be over THREE YEARS(!!! :eek: !!!) now since Wenger has been able field our best XI)

As far as sales go, Fabianski, Denilson and one of the forwards can be shown the door.
 
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I can see Almunia, Silvestre, Gallas, either Clichy or Sagna, Denillison, Arshavin, Rosiky, Vela and Eduardo being offloaded.

We will need a new first choice Keeper, with Fabianskia and Mannone competing for second choice, with Woznech Snezki (Our Polish wonder kid), as second choice the following year. Two more CB, one first choice to partner Vermallen, and a back up to cover with Djourou. I am favouring Hangeland from Fulham who is a big strong lad, and Michalik from Leeds. Michalik isn't the youngest tool in the shed but with some training from a top notch side he could be great.

One more defensive midfielder is a must. If Song improves as much as he has done this season again he will be truly world class and I would be tempted to play him in a world XI. No idea who would fit the bill though. A midfielder to replace Arshavin/Denillson would be good, preferably someone who works on the left wing. I still remember Pires and Cole/Clichy rampaging down there game after game.

Finally a second striker to come in with Chamaka, someone who can have a good lash from the edge of the area and also be there to score the tap ins.
 
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