Poll: *** 2010 General Election Result & Discussion ***

[PMKeates]

aren't something like 70% of our exports sent to the eu.

You'll probably find a similar number of our imports come from the major EU exporters, and they can't afford to lose our trade just as much as we can't afford to lose theirs.

 

[Glaucus]

That will be the next step if he cannot get a deal with the Lib Dems and Labour cannot get a deal with the Lib Dems and every other party except the Green and the DUP.

I thought that could only happen if GB resigns or a vote of no confidence against him. Until then he is PM.

 

[z3r0]

When laying a wreath it doesn't do to look happy.

What about tired?

 

[PermaBanned]

Yeh i am, is there a problem because i don't conform to the common census?

No, there's a problem because you clearly don't have a clue what you're on about.

 

[rypt]

I thought that could only happen if GB resigns or a vote of no confidence against him. Until then he is PM.

He has until May 25th, as that is when the speech has to be given by SOMEONE

 

[Nix]

Yes, as i posted earlier...

Many activist groups, including 38 Degrees were involved (and still are) in these 'purple protests'.

4:23, is that police officer on something?

 

[meghatronic]

He has until May 25th, as that is when the speech has to be given by SOMEONE

Fine fine! I'll do it. I can take a hint.

 

[Third Opinion]

it's great when losers are winners

The only good thing that will probably come out of this is the electorate will unlikely vote for hung parliament again. The so called Democrats will be the biggest losers then.

 

[meghatronic]

Very small minority? Actions maybe, but their opinions are supported by far more, a number of polls seem to suggest.

It's clearly a major issue for a great number of people. Why not just put it to population and see what they decide

As I have said before, people don't know what they're voting for. They see "reform" and think good, they see "proportional" and think it's perfect. It's a dangerous issue.

EDIT - also as I said before, I polled a dozen of my friends and family. All of them wanted electoral reform/PR - not one of them could tell me *exactly* what it was, pros and cons, systems etc. It's a crazy issue. Just like a referendum on EU membership would be. It really is something that should be left to those above.

EDIT2 - Highly relevent for PR fanboys:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7120295.ece
German voters deliver poll blow to Merkel amid discontent over aid to Greece
Chancellor Angela Merkel appeared to have been dealt a political body blow on tonight when her Christian Democratic party recorded its worst ever result in crucial region elections. If that turns out to be the case, the immediate effect will be to remove the Christian Democrat-Free Democrat majority in the upper house of parliament, the Bundesrat. That will derail many of the Government’s cherished projects, from an overhaul of the tax system to extending the life cycle of nuclear power stations. In order to shift any significant legislation through Parliament, the Chancellor will have to strike deals with the opposition, the Social Democrats.

 

[bazaarboy]

i see the tories forming a "loose" coalition with lib dems, with no firm PR agreement
there's no way the negotiating teams could make a concrete plan for PR or even a referendum for one, in just a weekend of talks

PR would take years to conceptualise and agree (in it's minor details)

 

[meghatronic]

i see the tories forming a "loose" coalition with lib dems, with no firm PR agreement
there's no way the negotiating teams could make a concrete plan for PR or even a referendum for one, in just a weekend of talks

PR would take years to conceptualise and agree (in it's minor details)

Front page of Inde (so biased to hell and back):

Clegg is urged to abandon deal as Tories rule out vote reform
Leading Conservatives react with horror to a day of shuttle diplomacy between Lib Dem leader and David Cameron as thousands demonstrate in favour of PR

 

[The Mad Rapper]

As I have said before, people don't know what they're voting for. They see "reform" and think good, they see "proportional" and think it's perfect. It's a dangerous issue.

EDIT - also as I said before, I polled a dozen of my friends and family. All of them wanted electoral reform/PR - not one of them could tell me *exactly* what it was, pros and cons, systems etc. It's a crazy issue. Just like a referendum on EU membership would be. It really is something that should be left to those above.

EDIT2 - Highly relevent for PR fanboys:

What's the problem? That seems fine to me - the executive being directly answerable to the country. That's exactly how democracy should work surely?

 

[meghatronic]

What's the problem? That seems fine to me - the executive being directly answerable to the country. That's exactly how democracy should work surely?

Come again?

 

[The Mad Rapper]

Front page of Inde (so biased to hell and back):

Well a Conservative minority government will last 5 mins, so back to the polls we go.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

Come again?

What part are you struggling with? I thought it was pretty clear, sorry.

*Edit*

Ignore - I quoted your wrong post - sorry I meant to quote the German Merkel post.

 

[meghatronic]

What part are you struggling with? I thought it was pretty clear, sorry.

*Edit*

Ignore - I quoted your wrong post - sorry I meant to quote the German Merkel post.

Ahhhh. Well my point was she'll now feel like **** as it will invovle more bickering, allbeit in German

Well a Conservative minority government will last 5 mins, so back to the polls we go.

If it does - Labour and LibDems are being children. It is in the national interest to have a government right now, even if only for a year or so.

 

[bazaarboy]

thousands demonstrate in favour of PR

surely we need more time to consider the arguments pro and against PR, I have been following this election closely, but I'm not usually into politics, yet I am still undecided about PR

it's unreasonable to expect that such a major change in the electoral system can demanded and agreed upon in these circumstances - seems like a very ill side effect of a shotgun wedding between Con - Lib

 

[Berserker]

Clegg and his cronies are now holding the UK to ransom. Both he and Brown were the LOSERS in this election and he is waltzing round like a head of state or something.

Total disaster.

Hate to tell you this, but it's arguable that all three parties were losers. It's certainly true that no-one won - or we'd have a PM (lame ducks excepted). If the Guardian is to be believed, the Tories are certainly acting like losers (at least behind the scenes).

If they really believed in working for the country first (and boy do we need it), couldn't we have a Con-Lib-Lab coalition?

 

[Slam62]

Front page of Inde (so biased to hell and back):

which papers do you consider unbiased?

 

[The Mad Rapper]

If it does - Labour and LibDems are being children. It is in the national interest to have a government right now, even if only for a year or so.

I don't disagree, but practically speaking you know that the parties are going to do what they can to further their own interests. I think David is being foolish ruling out PR if that is true, had he been able to agree some method of dealing with this then he would have won Lib-Dem support. The Lib-Dems still have to pursue their policies and the implementation of electoral reform - with so many different and competing interests I just don't see a smooth road ahead.