Poll: *** 2010 General Election Result & Discussion ***

[Captain_Slick]

The best option is for a minority Conservative government. They will **** things up even more so than Labour have whilst dealing with the impending economic crisis, more people will be even more fearful of them like after Thatcher and their position as a political party will be well and truely destroyed forever (you can see how people are still holding the Thatcher grudge - Only 36.1% after the past 13 years? They missed an open goal!) allowing the Lib Dems to take their place as the second party and Labour to get back in with a new leader and a new look.

Perhaps won't happen straight away, but that's what I predict over the next few elections. More and more Tory voters switching to fringe parties or Labour or Lib Dem.

 

[Slam62]

Hate to tell you this, but it's arguable that all three parties were losers. It's certainly true that no-one won - or we'd have a PM (lame ducks excepted). If the Guardian is to be believed, the Tories are certainly acting like losers (at least behind the scenes).

If they really believed in working for the country first (and boy do we need it), couldn't we have a Con-Lib-Lab coalition?

but if we are really going to fix the country we have to start at the root, our paliamentary system.

 

[guyfawkes5]

What's the problem? That seems fine to me - the executive being directly answerable to the country. That's exactly how democracy should work surely?

What part are you struggling with? I thought it was pretty clear, sorry.

*Edit*

Ignore - I quoted your wrong post - sorry I meant to quote the German Merkel post.

Angela Merkel isn't the German executive, she's the head of the legislature.

 

[Slam62]

The best option is for a minority Conservative government. They will **** things up even more so than Labour have whilst dealing with the impending economic crisis, more people will be even more fearful of them like after Thatcher and their position as a political party will be well and truely destroyed forever (you can see how people are still holding the Thatcher grudge - Only 36.1% after the past 13 years? They missed an open goal!) allowing the Lib Dems to take their place as the second party and Labour to get back in with a new leader and a new look.

Perhaps won't happen straight away, but that's what I predict over the next few elections. More and more Tory voters switching to fringe parties or Labour or Lib Dem.

yes

 

[drew64]

If they really believed in working for the country first (and boy do we need it), couldn't we have a Con-Lib-Lab coalition?

long as it can be called the galactic senate

 

[Luseac]

The best option is for a minority Conservative government. They will **** things up even more so than Labour have whilst dealing with the impending economic crisis, more people will be even more fearful of them like after Thatcher and their position as a political party will be well and truely destroyed forever (you can see how people are still holding the Thatcher grudge - Only 36.1% after the past 13 years? They missed an open goal!) allowing the Lib Dems to take their place as the second party and Labour to get back in with a new leader and a new look.

Perhaps won't happen straight away, but that's what I predict over the next few elections. More and more Tory voters switching to fringe parties or Labour or Lib Dem.

Wrong. The best option is a Lib/Lab/whoever coalition. They will shaft the English, (hopefully) makes some drastic cuts that are needed... And as such, it won't be the "waaa mean tories " anymore, and they will get a landslide win at the next General Election.

It's all turning out to be quite interesting. Lib-Con means that the tories won't get tarred with the "mean tory" brush when cuts are made, and it has the added benefit of really annoying the floppy hair Web 2.0 types

 

[Captain_Slick]

Wrong. The best option is a Lib/Lab/whoever coalition. They will shaft the English, (hopefully) makes some drastic cuts that are needed... And as such, it won't be the "waaa mean tories " anymore, and they will get a landslide win at the next General Election.

The best option for you, maybe.

Some of us have empathy and don't wish to support a party that's bankrolled like the Conservatives, nor a party that protects the rich while the poor suffer.

EDIT: Regarding your addition, a Lib-Con coalition will be the end for both parties, meaning a landslide for Labour at the next opportunity, as well as a surge in popularity for the smaller parties.

And FYI, before anyone says anything, whilst I broadly support Labour (albeit not New Labour), I'm more in favour of coalition governments representing EVERYONE.

 

[Luseac]

The best option for you, maybe.

Some of us have empathy and don't wish to support a party that's bankrolled like the Conservatives, nor a party that protects the rich while the poor suffer.

Haha, the same old irrational anti-tory bile that has been pouring all over this forum for weeks. Pray tell, how will the "poor suffer" under the tories? And pluuease try and come back with a sentence that doesn't mention Thatcher.

 

[Berserker]

but if we are really going to fix the country we have to start at the root, our paliamentary system.

And therein lies our problem. Which is more important - PR or the economy? If we were to believe your post, and indeed this thread (at least over the last few dozen pages), it would appear that PR is the most important issue this country faces today.

Do people really think that is so?

 

[The Mad Rapper]

And therein lies our problem. Which is more important - PR on the economy? If we were to believe your post, and indeed this thread (at least over the last few dozen pages), it would appear that PR is the most important issue this country faces today.

Do people really think that is so?

It depends how long term a view you choose to take I suppose. The deficit is not a long term problem. Electoral reform is.

 

[Berserker]

It depends how long term a view you choose to take I suppose. The deficit is not a long term problem. Electoral reform is.

On the other hand, the current electoral system has served us for decades, but if the country is bankrupt then will anyone be voting for anything?

Excessively dramatic point, I know, but nonetheless don't you need to deal with the short-term while planning for the long-term. Say 80% economy, 20% PR. Right now it seems to be the other way around - at least here.

 

[Klo]

It depends how long term a view you choose to take I suppose. The deficit is not a long term problem. Electoral reform is.

I would personally rather have stable economic growth than fringe parties getting more seats.

 

[Westyfield2]

Do we have an agreement yet? Surely there must be something by tomorrow morning!?

 

[PermaBanned]

On the other hand, the current electoral system has served us for decades, but if the country is bankrupt then will anyone be voting for anything?

Excessively dramatic point, I know, but nonetheless don't you need to deal with the short-term while planning for the long-term. Say 80% economy, 20% PR. Right now it seems to be the other way around - at least here.

People don't see the economy as much of a problem as Labour were doing a brilliant job of managing it and steering it on the course to recovery. Under a Tory government they would doubtlessly see how wrong they were.

 

[Strife212]

People don't see the economy as much of a problem as Labour were doing a brilliant job of managing it and steering it on the course to recovery

Jesus christ

 

[Slam62]

I would personally rather have stable economic growth than fringe parties getting more seats.

well have we ever had stable economic growth?

 

[Captain_Slick]

Haha, the same old irrational anti-tory bile that has been pouring all over this forum for weeks. Pray tell, how will the "poor suffer" under the tories? And pluuease try and come back with a sentence that doesn't mention Thatcher.

How about you tell me why there is any reason to believe that the Tories will implement any of their manifesto? Labour didn't deliver on most of their election promises; neither will the Conservatives.

And in the coming economic crisis, more cuts will have to made and I mean real cuts, not 'efficiency savings' or pay caps and that is how poor people will suffer - through a decline in public services.

Anyone who blindly believes ANY party's election manifesto with disregard to party history on such matters and without considering external influences is deluding themselves.

 

[Slam62]

On the other hand, the current electoral system has served us for decades, but if the country is bankrupt then will anyone be voting for anything?

Excessively dramatic point, I know, but nonetheless don't you need to deal with the short-term while planning for the long-term. Say 80% economy, 20% PR. Right now it seems to be the other way around - at least here.

our current electoral system has served us badly for decades and brought us to many unnecessary crisis points.

 

[bazaarboy]

People don't see the economy as much of a problem as Labour were doing a brilliant job of managing it and steering it on the course to recovery. Under a Tory government they would doubtlessly see how wrong they were.

is this in jest?

the late 90s saw the start of the greatest economic boom in history
13 years later we are in the worse recession ever (forget the anaesthetising effect of the bailout, reality will hit hard very soon)

Brown personally supervised such things as the relaxation of financial regulations, the creation of the super expensive PFI concept, and the selling of one tonne of HM Treasury gold at the lowest price in decades...

 

[Slam62]

How about you tell me why there is any reason to believe that the Tories will implement any of their manifesto? Labour didn't deliver on most of their election promises; neither will the Conservatives.

And in the coming economic crisis, more cuts will have to made and I mean real cuts, not 'efficiency savings' or pay caps and that is how poor people will suffer - through a decline in public services.

Anyone who blindly believes ANY party's election manifesto with disregard to party history on such matters and without considering external influences is deluding themselves.

yes again